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$325 million for Stanton (Marlins)?

BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
that is the number getting thrown around in discussions, if you believe so-called "sources"

That is just crazy. I would think that the NFL model with guaranteed money being a bit different from total contract value will appeal to owners in MLB once a few more of these mega deals go sour.

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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭
    Here's the rest of the Pujols contract. I realize Stanton is a kid but 10 year deals are crazy.

    2015 35 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $24,000,000
    2016 36 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $25,000,000
    2017 37 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $26,000,000
    2018 38 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $27,000,000
    2019 39 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $28,000,000
    2020 40 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $29,000,000
    2021 41 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $30,000,000 10-year, $10M personal-services contract begins once player contract expires
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭
    Here's the rest of the Pujols contract. I realize Stanton is a kid but 10 year deals are crazy.

    2015 35 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $24,000,000
    2016 36 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $25,000,000
    2017 37 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $26,000,000
    2018 38 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $27,000,000
    2019 39 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $28,000,000
    2020 40 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $29,000,000
    2021 41 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $30,000,000
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,360 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Its getting more stupid
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    If they sign Stanton to that megadeal, how many seasons before Jeffrey Loria flips him for rookies and scrubs?
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  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    These owners are out of their minds.

    Seats at games are already at the price that I will not go and if they keep it up I will not even be able to afford the baseball package .

    But then again I am 75 and my eyesight is not that good so maybe I will just have to put my hearing aids in and turn on the radio.
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭
    NFW.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    Yup, backloaded. Here's his first 3 years worth of salaries....

    2015 = $6.5 mil
    2016 = $9 mil
    2017 = $14.5 mil

    First 6 seasons = $107 million combined ($17.8 m/yr avg)
    Last 7 seasons = $218 million combined ($31.1 m/yr avg)

    He can opt-out of his contract after the first 6 seasons.
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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Probably 10-15 years from now this will seem like a bargain when baseball signs the first $500 million player.
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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭
    CRAZY.
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well you can always move to Minnesota and watch some good AAA ball.

    Not really serious, but Twins have done little to improve the club. Mauer seems to be done as a hitter and they keep telling us how great their prospects are that are coming up.

    They did sign Phil Hughes and he pitched well, but they have lost 90+ games for 4 years in a row with a very very small payroll and a NEW STADIUM, paid for by the state.

    Pohlad family is also one of, if not the, richest owners in MLB.
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  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭
    Heard about this on NPR. Insanity.

    I will never understand why athletes get paid so much, while the cities in which they perform are struggling economically to fund basic services. OK so their career will end by the time they reach 35, maybe 40. Big deal. Many folks survive quite comfortably making less in their entire lifetime than this guy makes in one season.

    If the system isn't going to change, then athletes oughtta do the right thing and donate to charities. I'm not talking about kiddie summer camps. I mean public education, homeless shelters, and basically all the other facets of our society that are lacking because we (fans) keep pouring our money into the arenas instead of the streets.

    OK done preaching now
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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Heard about this on NPR. Insanity.

    I will never understand why athletes get paid so much, while the cities in which they perform are struggling economically to fund basic services. OK so their career will end by the time they reach 35, maybe 40. Big deal. Many folks survive quite comfortably making less in their entire lifetime than this guy makes in one season.

    If the system isn't going to change, then athletes oughtta do the right thing and donate to charities. I'm not talking about kiddie summer camps. I mean public education, homeless shelters, and basically all the other facets of our society that are lacking because we (fans) keep pouring our money into the arenas instead of the streets.

    OK done preaching now >>



    Let's not forget about Actors, Musicians and CEO's of big companies. All of the above and many more are making far too much while many hard working Americans struggle.

    Capitalism seems to need a bit of an adjustment?!?!?!?
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  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Let's not forget about Actors, Musicians and CEO's of big companies. All of the above and many more are making far too much while many hard working Americans struggle.

    Capitalism seems to need a bit of an adjustment?!?!?!? >>

    The percentage of professional musicians and actors making that kind of dough is minuscule in comparison to the percentage of pro athletes. Most of the money you pay for a concert ticket goes to the venue, light show, sound equipment, huge setup crew, and don't forget the record label. Top-level actors get a bit more but still not as much as you probably think. Paid for their time on the set, shooting, but rarely paid residuals from ticket sales, merchandising, etc.

    Did you know that the Superbowl Halftime musicians don't get paid to perform? For many, many years they have done it for free (for the exposure, no doubt). NFL announced a couple months ago that they're going to start charging the musicians for the right to perform ... pay to play ... because NFL doesn't make enough money already ...
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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Let's not forget about Actors, Musicians and CEO's of big companies. All of the above and many more are making far too much while many hard working Americans struggle.

    Capitalism seems to need a bit of an adjustment?!?!?!? >>

    The percentage of professional musicians and actors making that kind of dough is minuscule in comparison to the percentage of pro athletes. Most of the money you pay for a concert ticket goes to the venue, light show, sound equipment, huge setup crew, and don't forget the record label. Top-level actors get a bit more but still not as much as you probably think. Paid for their time on the set, shooting, but rarely paid residuals from ticket sales, merchandising, etc.

    Did you know that the Superbowl Halftime musicians don't get paid to perform? For many, many years they have done it for free (for the exposure, no doubt). NFL announced a couple months ago that they're going to start charging the musicians for the right to perform ... pay to play ... because NFL doesn't make enough money already ... >>



    Not sure I agree with that one. There are quite a few professional athletes in the minor leagues making next to nothing. Plenty generating revenue for colleges and not even getting an education.

    My point wasn't about percentages of people making huge money, but the huge difference between the super high paid and the average and low paid. Take the team I follow, Minnesota Twins, for example; in the 1960's their marquee player, Harmon Killebrew made $100,000 or so when he was earning his highest paycheck. The other good players like Oliva, Carew etc. were being paid 40%-70% of that, and most of the regulars were not far behind. On today's Twins, Joe Mauer makes 20 Million a couple of guys make between 8-10 Mill and the rest are FAR below that.

    Generally speaking, one or two athletes per team get the "big bucks", not every athlete is making millions. Don't forget actors and musicians have much longer careers, most of the great athletes don't make it more than 10-15 years and they're done. Many are done in 5. I am of course only discussing the best of the best in ALL of these professions.

    Top actors make upwards of 20 Million per film, some for a few months "work". The cast of "friends" were each making 1 Mill per episode for awhile.

    As far as the Super Bowl halftime example you cite, yes I had heard that. I sell Pizzas for a living and I would give away a truck load of pizzas for free if I could drive around the stadium during halftime handing them out, as long as they televised it...............and my website on the side of the truck.

    The top people at these professions have always been "overpaid". My feelings is that it's not so bad if it helps the rest of the "team" earn more. Seems to me this has changed, the top earners are getting too much of the "pie".

    Anyone want some pizza? Sorry, not for free. LOL
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  • << <i>Heard about this on NPR. Insanity.

    I will never understand why athletes get paid so much, while the cities in which they perform are struggling economically to fund basic services. OK so their career will end by the time they reach 35, maybe 40. Big deal. Many folks survive quite comfortably making less in their entire lifetime than this guy makes in one season.

    If the system isn't going to change, then athletes oughtta do the right thing and donate to charities. I'm not talking about kiddie summer camps. I mean public education, homeless shelters, and basically all the other facets of our society that are lacking because we (fans) keep pouring our money into the arenas instead of the streets.

    OK done preaching now >>



    NPR does nothing but promote the socialist/marxist/communist ideology. Truth is, no one should be pressured or forced to do anything with the money they earn honestly. That is not freedom. Look what socialist programs have done for Detroit. The country is literally going to heck in a hurry thanks to BOTH parties rigging the system for themselves and their pals. The rich vs the poor is a distraction game the elite play to keep us at each other's throats while they avoid paying any taxes while milking the country dry. Please do not be deceived.

    As for Stanton, he will probably do like most athletes and set up some sort of charity as a loophole to relieve some of the pain from those taxes that will be coming his way. IMO, the contract is crazy for a player who is not any better than other stars on that level making much less. Stanton is good, but not $325 million good.
  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭
    Many good points here. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting he should be forced to donate. I was saying he should donate.

    Or put another way, if I were offered a $325 million contract (or if I won the lotto), I'd give most of it away.

    There are many extremely wealthy individuals in the world who have already done this / are doing this. Including actors, musicians, and athletes. Nobody is being forced.

    I'm not sure how I feel about the college athlete situation. I have mixed feelings. I don't consider them professional athletes. Not until they graduate (or drop out and sign a contract). You're right though, many NFL / MLB / NBA / etc. players are not making the insane money. It's really just a few players on every team who are the "stars" that get the insane money. I guess they will just have to bear the responsibility of spending it well.
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  • Skin2Skin2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭
    Don't buy tickets or merchandise. The choice is in us.

    The hard part to swallow is when stadiums are publicly funded. There shouldn't be one penny of taxpayer money going toward pro teams with the amount of money those teams make.

    It is outrageous when states steal funds from the pensions of honest hard working teachers and police, who have held up their end of bargain...and then give some pro team millions of dollars to build a stadium so that team can pay 'one player' 25 million dollars a year.

    Civic pride is usually the reason given...but along the lines of what StanTheMan said...leaders/politicians will do everything they can to keep their pro teams, because they are distractions for the public, taking heat off of the politicians when they are lining their own pockets(and the pockets of their friends). So they fund those projects.
  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭
    <<<Let's not forget about Actors, Musicians and CEO's of big companies. All of the above and many more are making far too much while many hard working Americans struggle.

    Capitalism seems to need a bit of an adjustment?!?!?!?>>>

    Capitalism is working just fine. If you are on this board, you likely collect baseball cards, so you should understand the dynamics of supply and demand. There is a reason hard working Americans are struggling, and it has nothing with the salaries of the uniquely talented individuals who sing, dance, hit a baseball, throw a football, or shoot a basketball. But that is a discussion for another forum.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't buy tickets or merchandise. The choice is in us.

    The hard part to swallow is when stadiums are publicly funded. There shouldn't be one penny of taxpayer money going toward pro teams with the amount of money those teams make.

    It is outrageous when states steal funds from the pensions of honest hard working teachers and police, who have held up their end of bargain...and then give some pro team millions of dollars to build a stadium so that team can pay 'one player' 25 million dollars a year.

    Civic pride is usually the reason given...but along the lines of what StanTheMan said...leaders/politicians will do everything they can to keep their pro teams, because they are distractions for the public, taking heat off of the politicians when they are lining their own pockets(and the pockets of their friends). So they fund those projects. >>



    Well said, skin.


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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    couple points being missed here.

    first of all, Stanton won't be forced into heavy taxation in Florida, compared to some other states. ask LeBron about it.

    and B, the signing was specifically intended to not only lock up the face of Miami sports for at least a handful of years, but to also keep him away from the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers and their bottomless pits of wealth.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>couple points being missed here.

    first of all, Stanton won't be forced into heavy taxation in Florida, compared to some other states. ask LeBron about it.

    and B, the signing was specifically intended to not only lock up the face of Miami sports for at least a handful of years, but to also keep him away from the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers and their bottomless pits of wealth. >>



    If Loria's history is any indication, he will wind up on a team like those you listed for a few minor leaguers before you know it..


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,360 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>couple points being missed here.

    first of all, Stanton won't be forced into heavy taxation in Florida, compared to some other states. ask LeBron about it.

    and B, the signing was specifically intended to not only lock up the face of Miami sports for at least a handful of years, but to also keep him away from the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers and their bottomless pits of wealth. >>



    If Loria's history is any indication, he will wind up on a team like those you listed for a few minor leaguers before you know it.. >>




    Totally agreed, there is ZERO sense in this signing no matter how you look at it.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,360 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't buy tickets or merchandise. The choice is in us.

    The hard part to swallow is when stadiums are publicly funded. There shouldn't be one penny of taxpayer money going toward pro teams with the amount of money those teams make.

    It is outrageous when states steal funds from the pensions of honest hard working teachers and police, who have held up their end of bargain...and then give some pro team millions of dollars to build a stadium so that team can pay 'one player' 25 million dollars a year.

    Civic pride is usually the reason given...but along the lines of what StanTheMan said...leaders/politicians will do everything they can to keep their pro teams, because they are distractions for the public, taking heat off of the politicians when they are lining their own pockets(and the pockets of their friends). So they fund those projects. >>




    Agreed here too, I havnt been to a MLB game since 1995. I absolutely refuse to spend the ridiculas amount of money on tickets, food, parking to help fund these stupid contracts. I love the Red Sox and enjoy watching them on TV and thats it.
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