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BellagioPokerKing
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I forgot to put the item # 260333865686.
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Auction

Someone bought it for $550.

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That must be freshly signed! Be very wary of buying from him. There are three people on this thread (myself included) who will never buy from UKRedskins again).

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I have had a few dealings w/ukredskins...some good, some bad. His Warren Lahr is ghostsigned. I am a 'warren lahr' aficionado..i know, stop laughing! I told him about it when he had it at $40.00. After I told him it was ghostsigned he put it at $140 or whatever it is now because he didn't know he died in the 60's. I have thought about this for years but it just doesn't seem possible that someone would have all those tough autographed cards and a seemlessly endless supply.

Is it possible to have all those cards...sure, probable....not really.


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Jim,

That is exactly my problem with him! I recently had 6 expensive cards rejected that I bought from CJ (UK Redskins owner) and he won't refund my $! Let's see - in the past year CJ has sold a Piccolo, a 61 Nu Scoops Ernie Davis, 55 Topps AA Alonzo Stagg, several Ameche's, several Lipscombs, Mac Speedie, 55 Topps AA Bruce Smith, 55 Topps AA Davey O'Brien, 55 Topps AA Harmon, 59 Topps Dan Reeves (HOF owner of the Rams). Not to mention, I bought a 66 Philly George Preston Marshall from a collector who bought it from CJ which was rejected by PSA. At some point it just becomes implausible that he could find all of those cards.

I also buy from Phil Marks, Richard Albersheim and Kevin Keating and combined they can't source anywhere near the same number of rare autographs as CJ can.

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Jim and Greg,

I have the same concerns about someone who has such an endless supply of material. The very experienced collectors on this thread search high and low for material from various sources (internet, dealers, auction houses, flea markets/newspapers, etc.) across the entire country and some of these sellers on E-bay turn up incredibly difficult autographs every few weeks. I have bought from CJ in the past, but am skeptical to do so going forward.

Another one on E-bay who I occasionally buy from is Kirk (E-bay id: "khw") who also seems to have a never ending supply....although all of his stuff is PSA/DNA authenticated so that makes me feel a bit better. I am not trying to cast doubt on kwh, it just seems like they have a constant influx of good stuff which boggles my mind.

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Hello,
Boy do I Ever feel like I opened a can of worms !!!! LOL. I don't know CJ , nor have I ever bought anything from him. The Piccolo card caught my eye, and I know that there have been posts about him in the past. ( both good and bad.) I personally, am just VERY wary of buying from someone that sells stuff that is NOT PSA/DNA or JSA authenticated, and will NOT refund the purchase price if it fails to pass authentication. I have bought a pretty fair amount from Rich Albersheim, even though they are not authenticated, because of who he is, the reputation that he has, and if anything would happen to fail, I know that he would take care of it. As far as Kirk Welch, I have also bought a VERY large # of auto's from him. I have talked to him a # of times on the phone, and as Ken pointed out, everything Kirk has, has passed authentication. I am registered on 15 different auction sites, and I am 100% positive that Kirk is registered on more than I am. I have seen many auto's on other sites appear in Kirk's store a few weeks/months later. I have always found Kirk to be GREAT to deal with, and he has always given me a very good price when I call him and wanted to buy multiple auto's at one time.
I hope that everyone has a GREAT and BLESSED Christmas.
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The interesting thing is that CJ states that he'll refund if anything fails to pass authentication, but when push comes to shove, he'll defer to keeping the money you paid. Perhaps he figures no one will travel to Europe to file charges.

Anyway, it's a pretty bad business model, but with eBay, there's a virtually endless supply of people that will continue to pay up for both good and bad signatures. Personally, I've had interest in several items he's posted, but have always shied away. Just too many items and not much evidence of buying like Kirk and others seem to do. I can't count the number of times I've seen Kirk pony up and hit the BIN for some tougher autos and then see them several weeks later in PSA/DNA slabs.


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Kirk is legit. He is buying on eBay all the time. 154 items just on eBay since November 21st.

He has outbid me a few times and the cards always end up slabbed and in his store a few weeks later.

On a change the subject. How is Jim Otto's health? I thought I had read he was not well, but he is scheduled for a signing 2/22/09. I am having a tough time finding a 1964 topps signed card and was thinking about sending a card.

Also do any of the following sign TTM (free or fee)?
Mike Ditka
Roger Wehrli
Herb Adderley
George Blanda
Ernie Stautner
Ron Yary

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<< Also do any of the following sign TTM (free or fee)?

Mike Ditka - Signs TTM (Free but sporadic)
Roger Wehrli - Signs TTM (Fee)
Herb Adderley - Signs TTM (Fee)
George Blanda - Signs TTM (Free but personalizes everything)
Ernie Stautner - Deceased
Ron Yary - Signs TTM
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<< Kirk is legit. He is buying on eBay all the time. 154 items just on eBay since November 21st.

He has outbid me a few times and the cards always end up slabbed and in his store a few weeks later.

On a change the subject. How is Jim Otto's health? I thought I had read he was not well, but he is scheduled for a signing 2/22/09. I am having a tough time finding a 1964 topps signed card and was thinking about sending a card.

Also do any of the following sign TTM (free or fee)?
Mike Ditka
Roger Wehrli
Herb Adderley
George Blanda
Ernie Stautner
Ron Yary
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I agree w/ you that Kirk is legit. Actually, a lot of his 1975 Fleer and 1977 TDs were purchased from Jack Wallin. Kirk's business model is that he buys autographs (often cheaply) has them slabbed and then sells for a premium. He's a great guy to deal with - I've bought 30 to 40 cards from Kirk over the years (including ~ 10 from my heisman set).

From what I understand, Jim Otto's health is failing but he does sign TTM for $15. As for the other HOFers:

Mike Ditka - yes, although he is EXTREMELY inconsistent. I've had 2 TTM requests returned.
Roger Wehrli - Yes, for $15
Herb Adderley - Yes, for $5
George Blanda - Yes, will sign one item for free
Ernie Stautner - Died in 2006
Ron Yary - Yes, for $20

Let me know if you need the respective addresses.

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Hey guys,

Was not trying to cast doubt on Kirk, he has outbid me on stuff more times than I want to count:}. It's just amazing to me that he has such a tremendous inventory and is constantly turning stuff over...lots and lots of work involved obviously. It seems like he has eyes on every possible steal out there. I have bought at least a dozen autographs from khw with no problems (most recently a slabbed W. Payton). Thanks.

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WOW, I can't believe I didn't know Stautner died. Any addresses for the others.

No problem if Ditka doesn't sign as long as the card comes back.

Also what about Jim Otto. Will I get a strong sig? Years ago I sent a John Henry Johnson rookie card to a private signing. The signature that came back was horrible (dementia I believe).

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This goes back to the Notre Dame autographed photo post below - I found this picture in the back of the 1925 Notre Dame yearbook - must have been taken the same day as the one below



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Great Photo Mike, looks like they spent the day goofing around a bit!

Snub Pollard was certainly a very accomplished actor. I love old movies and now I will have to keep a look out for him. He was in over 300 movies! If you check his career, a bunch of times his is listed as just....'barfly' or extra haha



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<< Great Photo Mike, looks like they spent the day goofing around a bit!

Snub Pollard was certainly a very accomplished actor. I love old movies and now I will have to keep a look out for him. He was in over 300 movies! If you check his career, a bunch of times his is listed as just....'barfly' or extra haha
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Who would love to be a paid barfly?

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<< WOW, I can't believe I didn't know Stautner died. Any addresses for the others.

No problem if Ditka doesn't sign as long as the card comes back.

Also what about Jim Otto. Will I get a strong sig? Years ago I sent a John Henry Johnson rookie card to a private signing. The signature that came back was horrible (dementia I believe).
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It's too bad that Stautner died as he was a great signer. From what I understand, Jim Otto's sig is still fairly strong (I need to send a request to Otto myself - now that I'm collecting auto'd HOF rookie cards). Here are the addresses that you requested:

Mike Ditka - ESPN Plaza Bristol, CT 06010
Roger Wehrli - 46 Fox Meadows Ct St Charles MO 63303 (someone mentioned that he wants $8 to sign a card...$15 must be for a GLAC)
Herb Adderley - 1058 Tristram Cir. Mantua, NJ 08051-2204 (he usually signs fast, however I'm still waiting on my package from early Nov)
George Blanda - 18 Forest Gate Circle Oakbrook, IL 60523 - will sign one item for free
Ernie Stautner - Died in 2006
Ron Yary - 38886 Calle de Companero Murrieta, CA 92560 - Charges $20 but you may get away w/ paying $10

Good luck and let me know if you need any more addy's.

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<< Did anyone see this photo in a recent auction. I think it is amazing.

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That's an incredible picture. Who is the old guy who didn't sign? He looks like a mobster...

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The signed photo had a hammer price pf $7,000 on Mastro - the stout man was not identified in the auction description and is not identified in the archives of Notre Dame - which can be searched on the web at http://archives.nd.edu/
Here's the search results for Snub Pollard - I would say the second one on the list is the picure in question ahd the second to the last is the picture from the back of the yearbook

GATH 4/17 Image(s) : Knute Rockne with Adam Walsh & Snub Pollard c1924
GATH 4/17 Image(s) : Knute Rockne with Snub Pollard, Unidentified, & Elmer Layden, Don Miller, Harry Stuhldreher, Jim Crowley, Adam Walsh, & other Football Players c1924
GBBY 57G/185 Image(s) : Knute Rockne with Snub Pollard (Comedian) & Football Player Adam Walsh 1924?
GBBY OVF/73 Image(s) : Knute Rockne with Comedian Snub Pollard (Hollywood) - Portrait taken in Hollywood 1920s
GBBY 57G/210 Image(s) : Football Team Photo - in Formation with Snub Pollard 1924?
GPHR 7127 4x5 B/W Negative(s) : Knute Rockne with Comedian Snub Pollard, Adam Walsh [copy] 1976/0615


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In 1924 Mack Sennett produced a picture called The Halfback of Notre Dame - one actor was Vernon Dent - could he be the mystery man in the Notre Dame photo? He has the heft!

I seem to be having trouble keeping the link to the picture alive - hope it works this time



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