Ouch! 0-for-16 crossovers

DennisH · October 6, 2015 7:10AM

Not my submission, but I do feel the submitter's pain:

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. Description Country Grade
1 1 33093101 7196 1890 $1 USA DNC
2 1 33093102 2759 1948 1C, BN USA DNC
3 1 33093103 2750 1947 1C, BN USA DNC
4 1 33093104 2789 1951-D 1C, BN USA DNC
5 1 33093105 2741 1946 1C, BN USA DNC
6 1 33093106 2792 1951-S 1C, BN USA DNC
7 1 33093107 2801 1952-S 1C, BN USA DNC
8 1 33093108 2783 1950-S 1C, BN USA DNC
9 1 33093109 2693 1941 1C, BN USA DNC
10 1 33093110 2702 1942 1C, BN USA DNC
11 1 33093111 2720 1944 1C, BN USA DNC
12 1 33093112 2765 1948-S 1C, BN USA DNC
13 1 33093113 2702 1942 1C, BN USA DNC
14 1 33093114 2789 1951-D 1C, BN USA DNC
15 1 33093115 2678 1939-D 1C, BN USA DNC
16 1 33093116 2666 1938 1C, BN USA DNC
Total Items: 16
Date Received: 9/25/2015
Date Shipped: 10/5/2015
Order Status: Shipped

TwoSides2aCoin · October 6, 2015 7:14AM

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Goldbully · October 6, 2015 7:25AM

<< Not my submission, but I do feel the submitter's pain:

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. Description Country Grade
1 1 33093101 7196 1890 $1 USA DNC
2 1 33093102 2759 1948 1C, BN USA DNC
3 1 33093103 2750 1947 1C, BN USA DNC
4 1 33093104 2789 1951-D 1C, BN USA DNC
5 1 33093105 2741 1946 1C, BN USA DNC
6 1 33093106 2792 1951-S 1C, BN USA DNC
7 1 33093107 2801 1952-S 1C, BN USA DNC
8 1 33093108 2783 1950-S 1C, BN USA DNC
9 1 33093109 2693 1941 1C, BN USA DNC
10 1 33093110 2702 1942 1C, BN USA DNC
11 1 33093111 2720 1944 1C, BN USA DNC
12 1 33093112 2765 1948-S 1C, BN USA DNC
13 1 33093113 2702 1942 1C, BN USA DNC
14 1 33093114 2789 1951-D 1C, BN USA DNC
15 1 33093115 2678 1939-D 1C, BN USA DNC
16 1 33093116 2666 1938 1C, BN USA DNC
Total Items: 16
Date Received: 9/25/2015
Date Shipped: 10/5/2015
Order Status: Shipped >>

Should have cracked 'em out!!!

edited to add: I believe the copper experts say that PCGS is super tough on copper, so the submitter probably did the best thing for his tolerance level.

oih82w8 · October 6, 2015 7:35AM

<< Should have cracked 'em out!!! >>

I have only cracked a few out prior to submittal, most crossovers I send in "any" grade.

winky · October 6, 2015 7:57AM

I have 2 in PCGS, one rec. 8-24 and one rec. 8-25 and I have not rec. any of my coins back yet. I guess they are very busy these days.

jclovescoins · October 6, 2015 8:19AM

Ouch. That's gotta hurt. What were the fees on that?

csdot · October 6, 2015 9:10AM

Are the graders instructed not to cross the opposing company's coins at the same grade?

BryceM · October 6, 2015 9:35AM

The most likely scenario is that the coins were just average, or below average for the assigned grade. The crossing TPG assumes all risk associated with the crack-out so unless it's pretty obvious, they err on the side of caution.

TigersFan2 · October 6, 2015 9:36AM

But with crossovers, doesn't the submitter provide a minimum accepted grade for crossover? Perhaps the submitter had hopes too high on all 16 submissions.

coinbuf · October 6, 2015 10:05AM

Lots of judgements with very little facts nobody knows the TPG that these coins are in, could be a questonable source. And just looking at the dates and seeing that most of the submission coins are common dates and BN designated I'm going to guess that most or all are toners, which may be tougher to get crossed. So given the lack of facts it seems somewhat early to say that whomever sent these in should have cracked them out. I do feel sorry for the submitter tho, that had to sting.

lordmarcovan · October 6, 2015 11:27AM

<< But with crossovers, doesn't the submitter provide a minimum accepted grade for crossover? Perhaps the submitter had hopes too high on all 16 submissions. >>

Maybe?

I too wonder what the encapsulated service was.

NGC? Maybe not.

NNC?

ACG?

Even so, with the law of averages on a 16 coin submission ... ouch, indeed.

coindeuce · October 6, 2015 12:22PM

Unless the Brown Lincolns were in existing top tier TPG MS-67 or higher holders, no one in their right mind should have even considered attempting to cross them to PCGS.

Hydrant · October 6, 2015 12:46PM

Scary!

ebaybuyer · October 6, 2015 1:00PM

wouldn't be my coins, i spend those

Ablinky · October 6, 2015 1:04PM

That's rough.

rhedden · October 6, 2015 2:12PM

I suspect PCGS did not cross anything, and therefore did not grade anything, so they labeled all the coins "BN" by default. It could have been a pile of RD graded cents in 30 yr. old holders that turned RB. It also could have been a pile of rainbow-toned Lincolns that PCGS would call Questionable Color, but someone else would grade.

Boosibri · October 6, 2015 2:22PM

<< Unless the Brown Lincolns were in existing top tier TPG MS-67 or higher holders, no one in their right mind should have even considered attempting to cross them to PCGS.

>>

Yep

ksuscott · October 7, 2015 12:38PM

<< Not my submission, but I do feel the submitter's pain:

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. Description Country Grade
1 1 33093101 7196 1890 $1 USA DNC
2 1 33093102 2759 1948 1C, BN USA DNC
3 1 33093103 2750 1947 1C, BN USA DNC
4 1 33093104 2789 1951-D 1C, BN USA DNC
5 1 33093105 2741 1946 1C, BN USA DNC
6 1 33093106 2792 1951-S 1C, BN USA DNC
7 1 33093107 2801 1952-S 1C, BN USA DNC
8 1 33093108 2783 1950-S 1C, BN USA DNC
9 1 33093109 2693 1941 1C, BN USA DNC
10 1 33093110 2702 1942 1C, BN USA DNC
11 1 33093111 2720 1944 1C, BN USA DNC
12 1 33093112 2765 1948-S 1C, BN USA DNC
13 1 33093113 2702 1942 1C, BN USA DNC
14 1 33093114 2789 1951-D 1C, BN USA DNC
15 1 33093115 2678 1939-D 1C, BN USA DNC
16 1 33093116 2666 1938 1C, BN USA DNC
Total Items: 16
Date Received: 9/25/2015
Date Shipped: 10/5/2015
Order Status: Shipped >>

How were you able to see this info if you were not the submitter?

DennisH · October 7, 2015 2:15PM

Shared orders page.

ksuscott · October 7, 2015 2:22PM

<< Shared orders page. >>

Ah...I see. Interesting, you learn something new every day.

123cents · October 7, 2015 2:27PM

<< Unless the Brown Lincolns were in existing top tier TPG MS-67 or higher holders, no one in their right mind should have even considered attempting to cross them to PCGS.

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leothelyon · October 7, 2015 4:13PM

I got all caught up with this kind of reasoning with my very first submission thinking yeah, this or that, what I thought would cross, was MS65FS or MS66FS all day long. I had success for most but there were setbacks. One coin was an ANACS MS66 5 steps, picked it over two other ANACS coins that were graded MS67 5 steps. It came back MS67FS. Another coin, MS65 5 steps did not cross but when I did a $100 walkthrough, at any grade, it finally did grade MS65FS anyway. But this grading has always been a personal thing, whether they would agree with me. It's not this wishy-washy stuff. Doesn't matter much now. There is a difference in standards. But that's how others should take their grading of coins, responsibly. But most just don't have it.

Leo

ambro51 · October 7, 2015 9:50PM

So how much cash did this guy flush down the toilet?

ricko · October 7, 2015 10:38PM

Wow...major disappointment... could turn a YN or newbie off TPG's and collecting...Cheers, RickO

mercurydimeguy · October 7, 2015 11:04PM

<< So how much cash did this guy flush down the toilet? >>

Another way to look at this could be how cheap was this learning lesson? In macro terms, probably cheap...

One can't bottom fish other TPG slab grades and expect to cross them into a PCGS slab, buy the coin not the holder....

TwoSides2aCoin · October 7, 2015 11:43PM

<< wouldn't be my coins, i spend those >>

Okay, I feel bad for the submitter, but comic relief helps.

AMRC · October 8, 2015 12:22AM

What are the odds? Low. But I do not think it had anything to do with any bias.

Ouch! 0-for-16 crossovers

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