GTG: Will this 1881-CC go 65?

JGnumismatics · May 23, 2015 11:45PM

Hey guys,

I picked up this 81 with a couple other 81-cc and common date cc morgans. I was curious if you guys think this would go 65 at ATS or our host. I like the coin as a 5 with the frosty devices but wasn't sure if the bag marks between 4-5 o'clock on the obverse would hold it back. For what I paid as a raw coin, 64 money in a holder won't help.

Thanks

Catch22 · May 23, 2015 11:51PM

Close, very close. Worth a try, though I would call it a textbook 64.

USMarine6 · May 23, 2015 11:57PM

If it wasent for the mark on the cheekbone I believe it would

BustCuds · May 24, 2015 12:02AM

Think the mark on the cheek will keep her at 64.

roadrunner · May 24, 2015 1:39AM

I think it has a chance at either service. The frosty cameo may offset the mark(s)....esp. if the coin has blasty luster. Though do figure the services are probably a bit tougher on CC's that aren't 83 and 84. The spread from 64 to 65 on an 81-cc is not all that big so that's in your favor.

DennisH · May 24, 2015 1:41AM

I think it has more than a 50-50 chance of going 65 at either service. Nice coin.

TPRC · May 24, 2015 1:48AM

<< <i>I think it has more than a 50-50 chance of going 65 at either service. Nice coin. >>

+1

DollarAfterDollar · May 24, 2015 1:51AM

I think it all depends on the depth of the mark on the cheek. These are tricky when they are DMPL or PL.

My guess is Ms 64.

HighRelief · May 24, 2015 1:57AM

I think it has a good shot for 65 at NGC and 64 with PCGS.

Good looking 81-CC

ricko · May 24, 2015 2:05AM

With the marks on the obverse and the cheek slash, I would think it will remain 64.... if not for the cheek, it could well be 65. Cheers, RickO

Cougar1978 · May 24, 2015 2:11AM

Mark on cheek will keep it at 63 most likely (its a stretch to get 64 on that) if not 60-62. If you paid above 60 money on a raw coin like this you paid too much. For me the mark (gash?) on the cheek would cause me to deselect the coin regardless of TPG grade, who's holder, sticker, etc. The guy probably cracked it out from a 61 -63 holder to sell it raw. Wow he did really well if you paid around 64 money. Is that a spot around the Y in LIBERTY? It does have really good strike and super luster. What a shame that mark on cheek.

The numbers, holder, sticker game is one thing but a buyer has to want it for you to get all the money. Good luck with it.

I would send it in, get it graded, and put it out on the Bay as minimum bid at bluesheet. Then if it did not sell after a few weeks, would just let her rip with MB of 9.95 - perhaps someone would like its other redeeming features and bid it up. This is no 65 coin.

Stuart · May 24, 2015 2:48AM

<< I think it all depends on the depth of the mark on the cheek. >>

JGN: I think that the contact mark on the upper cheek behind and below Miss Liberty's eye in a prime focal area may hold it back to either MS-64 or 64+.

Is there some kind of discoloration between Miss Liberty's jaw and the 3rd /4th stars to the left of the date?

It looks like an attractive coin that I'd try to purchase raw for MS-62 to 63 money, while accepting the grading risk.

Type2 · May 24, 2015 2:52AM

I think you will be ok ATS Nice Dollar.

coinbuf · May 24, 2015 4:26AM

No idea what either TPG would say but as a buyer 64 would be the number I would give it.

lcoopie · May 24, 2015 4:28AM

JGnumismatics · May 24, 2015 4:54AM

Thanks everyone for all the comments,

Few notes:

-Personally, I technically grade the coin a 64 and am hoping ATS they'll put it GEM due to frosty devices and eye appeal. Who really knows though right haha....
-There is no discoloration as far as I can see, my amateur photos don't help any
-I purchased the coin for less then 60 money and know the coin has never been slabbed based off where it came from
-The mark on the cheek IMO is very minimal. Its a minor mark in hand and not a gash.
-I added a darker photo for fun and if it ends up slabbed I'll be sure to post an update

Thanks again

Jake

golden · May 24, 2015 6:40AM

64.

david3142 · May 24, 2015 7:23AM

I agree with one of the first posters - that coin is a textbook 64 and I would have expected near unanimous agreement. It has a great look but that's a fairly serious mark on the cheek, and it has some marks near 5 o'clock as you mentioned. I have a coin that is extremely similar to this in a 64 holder (basically a 66 but with one noticeable hit). I don't think this has any real chance at a 65. A 63+ wouldn't shock me, but as stated, I'd say 85% this comes back a 64.

291fifth · May 24, 2015 7:24AM

No judgement possible as the photo is badly overexposed. Overexposed photos can easily hide defects.

Based on the second photos I would say 64 with a shot at 65 on a good day.

CuKevin · May 24, 2015 7:31AM

<< <i>I agree with one of the first posters - that coin is a textbook 64 and I would have expected near unanimous agreement. It has a great look but that's a fairly serious mark on the cheek, and it has some marks near 5 o'clock as you mentioned. I don't think this has any real chance at 65. >>

I agree with this. Textbook 64.

CoinJunkie · May 24, 2015 7:40AM

<< <i>-The mark on the cheek IMO is very minimal. Its a minor mark in hand and not a gash. >>

Regardless of the depth, it's a serious distraction in a prime focal area. At 65, I would consider
the coin over-graded.

coinkat · May 24, 2015 7:57AM

I think it has a 60-65% shot at 65 at either service. Terrific coin - Best wishes with the submission

dizzlecc · May 24, 2015 1:29PM

I agree, it looks 64 but sometimes they give cc's a bump.

DRUNNER · May 24, 2015 3:57PM

Remember the traditional "CC Bump" in grade . . . . . talked about not only here but all over at shows nationwide . .

A good shot at 65 . . .

Drunjner

GTG: Will this 1881-CC go 65?

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