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Roger Burdette: "The Best Rendition of the Peace Dollar to Leave the Mint"

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Beautiful Coin and Roger Burdette is quoted at the top. You know what? I think I agree with Roger. The coin is BEAUTIFUL.
Roger is a great numismatic mind. Too bad he isn't on these forums. image
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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sweet coin!


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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would love to have a super strong strike like that for my Peace Dollar type.

    Magnificent!
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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭
    So basically, the hit on the cheek appears to be a 4 point deduction.
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So basically, the hit on the cheek appears to be a 4 point deduction. >>



    There are a couple other minor flaws that I think the graders noticed. Still a one of a kind type coin.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,481 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So basically, the hit on the cheek appears to be a 4 point deduction. >>



    I'd say it's a one or two point deduction. The coin is not perfect otherwise. There are some small hits and toning spots.
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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One finer at PCGS....

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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe I'll learn to be more tolerant of coins with a hit to Liberty's cheek since that Peace piece blows me away.

    Pardon me but this image fits on my monitor so I can enjoy the piece better.

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    SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,716 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The two pictured coins are exactly what I would want to have a Peace Dollar look like. All of the details, including the hair and lettering fully struck up.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gorgeous!

    The mark on the cheek looks like a planchet flaw.

    I wish they had made a few thousand of these in 1921 for sale to collectors.
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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wonderful Peace buck, my goodness. The defect on the cheek appears to be from the striking process.
    It doesn't come across as post mint damage, more like the die was damaged. What do you guys think?
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    MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭
    A bit of debris appears to have adhered to the die before striking the OP coin.

    It also looks like one of the Mint workers was "ordered" to file down the rims. The striking was probably a tad "strong" to bring up the central relief resulting in a bit of 'wire rim' effect.

    I wonder, do all of the (PCGS #: 7383) examined thus far exhibit rim filing ???
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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wish they had made a few thousand of these in 1921 for sale to collectors. >>



    Yup, but as long as we're wishing, I wish the transfer from de Francisci's plasters to the working dies could have been better and the strike problems figured out to allow for high-relief coins through the entire production run. That would have elevated this to one of the most beautiful coin series in world history.
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Gorgeous!

    The mark on the cheek looks like a planchet flaw. . . >>

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    OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Roger. I love the design but hate the execution of about 99.999% of peace dollars. This one is different.
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    MarkMark Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Colonel and Capt:

    In this case, is it possible to tell the difference between a planchet flaw versus a piece of grit on the die when the coin was struck?
    Mark


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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GoldBully, Thanks for posting a great thread on a truly magnificent 1922 High Relief Sand Blast (Matte) Proof Peace Dollar. image

    As is most often the case, I agree with Roger Burdette's (RWB's) assessment that this is "The Best Rendition of the Peace Dollar to Leave the Mint". image

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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's beautiful.

    I know they send some collectors into apoplectic fits of rage, but for those of us more fiscally challenged the dcarr '64 peace dollars are an affordable alternative:

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Colonel and Capt:

    In this case, is it possible to tell the difference between a planchet flaw versus a piece of grit on the die when the coin was struck? >>



    Sometimes. A piece of debris will usually leave a sharply-defined outline as the metal in the planchet conformed to it. A hole in the planchet prior to the strike will usually show the outline seeming to be flowing into the hole during the strike. You really need to see it in hand to be sure.
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    LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭

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    It has several smaller pits around the larger pit.
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    MarkMark Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CaptHenway:

    Thanks. Your answer makes a great deal of sense. (As always!)
    Mark


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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image

    It has several smaller pits around the larger pit. >>



    OK, that looks more like a strike-through. Thanks for the closeup.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well RWB knows his stuff better than most. He too would know… it has to be one of the very "first strikes " ™.
    As the dies could not take the stress.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a truly beautiful Peace Dollar... Cheers, RickO
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭

    Instead of a hit, I'm pretty sure that's a strike through or perhaps a flawed planchet on the cheek.

    But then how does the mint allow for such a significant flaw (and it is significant) on a special strike like this? Seriously, it's not like they were stamping 2,000,000 proof sets in 1922? It makes no sense.








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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Instead of a hit, I'm pretty sure that's a strike through or perhaps a flawed planchet on the cheek.

    But then how does the mint allow for such a significant flaw (and it is significant) on a special strike like this? Seriously, it's not like they were stamping 2,000,000 proof sets in 1922? It makes no sense. >>



    These were not made for sale to picky collectors. THey were made to show interested parties how the design work was progressing.
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wonderful Peace buck, my goodness. The defect on the cheek appears to be from the striking process.
    It doesn't come across as post mint damage, more like the die was damaged. What do you guys think? >>



    ...I think it got by the inspectors...image
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