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I really had to stretch for this one, but had to have it:
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<< <i>I like it a lot. tough to grade from the small photos. >>
how about this?
Spoke too soon... it appears to be a weak strike, but I would give it an XF45.
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<< <i>A weak strike for sure. However.............. >>
Must be MS. I'll guess 62+
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The color can't mitigate the weak strike, though I suspect many others would not agree with me on this.
Looks like wear more than a weak strike and I can't see any luster whatsoever with that photo.
If that is one of those fantasy photos where the coin looks nothing like that in hand, I just don't understand.
If the coin looks nothing like that then how can we be expected to grade from it.
Congrats on the CC T$1 pick-up regardless.
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<< <i>Wow, pretty wild looking coin. I don't see much wear...how about AU58+? >>
I agree with indeetlib, and I like it!
The kind of coin that if it walks into your local B&M raw....you hope you can buy it as an XF or AU. If this were an 1807 or 1808 CBH, most everyone would call the weaknesses strike and not rub. Seated coins get a bad rap...
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<< <i>Looks 63 to me - 64 if extremely lustrous as stated >>
Are we looking at the same coin here? I mean, I know you're the "guru" of this series -- but that sure looks like 100% certain wear on the head, breast, and down the leg of the obverse Ms. Liberty. It's a lovely coin, but I see AU all day long -- though I know nothing of this series compared to you.
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<< <i>Looks 63 to me - 64 if extremely lustrous as stated >>
Are we looking at the same coin here? I mean, I know you're the "guru" of this series -- but that sure looks like 100% certain wear on the head, breast, and down the leg of the obverse Ms. Liberty. It's a lovely coin, but I see AU all day long -- though I know nothing of this series compared to you.
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Be leery of "certain" wear, especially when it only appears in isolated spots. How can only one breast be worn on Miss Liberty? When grading for wear look at the best details on the coin, not the worst. Look at the obv rim from 12 to 6 o'clock. It's wide, flat, craggy, and showing some luster. That doesn't usually happen on a circulated coin...exceptions being coins that were commonly handled by their owners hence wearing only the rims. Liberty's center drapery, arms, and right leg are nicely detailed and rounded. Wouldn't they be worn too?
<< <i>The toning seems to stop or looks a different shade where the "wear" is.why? >>
That could also be stated as that the coloration is a different shade wherever the strike quality is much different (luster and/or toning will appear different on weakly struck areas). Field toning/coloration will often change where luster depth changes significantly. The rims wear first along with the coins very highest points. Why would that wire rim from 12-1 o'clock still be left...that's as high as you can get?
On the flip side, photos can "lie." The coin can look totally different in hand. Even if the coin is a technical unc, it could be net graded down to AU58 just because of the weak strike. If 95% of market participants see the coin as an AU....that's a likely starting point for grade assignment. Eye appeal includes strike too. Realone will give us the rest of the story in the near future.
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<< <i>Looks 63 to me - 64 if extremely lustrous as stated >>
Are we looking at the same coin here? I mean, I know you're the "guru" of this series -- but that sure looks like 100% certain wear on the head, breast, and down the leg of the obverse Ms. Liberty. It's a lovely coin, but I see AU all day long -- though I know nothing of this series compared to you.
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Be leery of "certain" wear, especially when it only appears in isolated spots. How can only one breast be worn on Miss Liberty? When grading for wear look at the best details on the coin, not the worst. Look at the obv rim from 12 to 6 o'clock. It's wide, flat, craggy, and showing some luster. That doesn't usually happen on a circulated coin...exceptions being coins that were commonly handled by their owners hence wearing only the rims. Liberty's center drapery, arms, and right leg are nicely detailed and rounded. Wouldn't they be worn too? >>
All completely valid questions roadrunner. The pictures don't show the luster at all -- they are clearly taken to "emphasize" the purdy toning. I admit freely that I am not familiar with this series at all, but based on the wear patterns alone it doesn't look MS to me. May the plastic say "MS"? Sure, that's completely possible. I appreciate your insight as to how a coin that's truly UNC may look like this. Based on the other guess, I guess I'm not the only one who sees it this way.
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I would disagree. That field luster seems very apparent to me based on the toning pattern. I know there's luster buried in the feather details and around the peripherals. That's obvious. If that wasn't there then we'd have a different conclusion. The luster in the fields seems fine to me. Possibly up to 95% complete.
For a GTG thread, it sure would be nice to have a photo of what the coin actually looks like rather some abstract false advertisement.
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Since this coin is very tough in 63 and the fields aren't so clean, I'll guess 62. But, a pretty coin no matter the label. Nice get, RO. Congrats.
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I'd guess the grade to be AU-55 based on the PCGS True View photos provided, but based on your posts I suspect that you'll reveal something different...
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<< <i>My first reaction when I saw this coin was also an UNC, but couldn't tell whether I liked 62 or 63 because it is hard to tell how much luster there was on this coin. When I saw others proclaiming AU-ish grades, I thought ... well, I guess I can understand why they think that. It's hard to grade from an image, especially when there are nuanced issues like strike vs wear, and how much luster.
Since this coin is very tough in 63 and the fields aren't so clean....
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Agreed. On a larger image, it looks like circulation wear in the left obverse field. The weaker high points still look unc
Very nice!