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Ebay Darkside SNAD Love to here your take on it!
amwldcoin
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1942 3 pence
I just received my 1st SNAD. No contact from buyer. He actually claims the 2 in the date has been soldered on and of course it doesn't grade Unc. My only options through ebay are to pay return shipping, offer a partial refund or let him keep the coin! No option to contest! If this is the case I believe ebay is about to loose me.
I realize this is a darkside coin but ebay sellers might want to take note!
I just received my 1st SNAD. No contact from buyer. He actually claims the 2 in the date has been soldered on and of course it doesn't grade Unc. My only options through ebay are to pay return shipping, offer a partial refund or let him keep the coin! No option to contest! If this is the case I believe ebay is about to loose me.
I realize this is a darkside coin but ebay sellers might want to take note!
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<< <i>eBay buyers might wanna take note of some recent changes too... Bought a coin, it was counterfeit, they're making me jump through a million hoops to get my money back without returning the counterfeit. Two weeks later, I think/hope they're finally satisfied enough to give me my 600 frickin' dollars back... >>
Did you file a SNAD?
<< <i>Not being a collector of foreign coins that 2 is really crude looking in your images. Is that supposed to be a rare date as many countries were still in war status that year. >>
It is a semi key for the series that cost the buyer a whooping $15! That is a die chip in the date.
Edit to add....I started collecting world coins in the early 70's. When I stopped I had well over 30,000 different coins. I have never heard of one of these being altered or counterfeited!
Make the buyer return the coin, per your return policy. If sleasebay makes you pay the return postage - pay it.
Once you have the coin back, block the buyer if he is uncooperative. I wouldn't let a buyer take advantage of me by trying to cut the price or get a free coin. But that is me, I'm retired and I have plenty of time to mess with sleazy buyers - you may not have the time for a mere $15.
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<< <i>Who in the heck counterfeits $15 coins these days? If you are going to spend the time and effort to fake something, you ought to counterfeit something that is worth it.
Make the buyer return the coin, per your return policy. If sleasebay makes you pay the return postage - pay it.
Once you have the coin back, block the buyer if he is uncooperative. I wouldn't let a buyer take advantage of me by trying to cut the price or get a free coin. But that is me, I'm retired and I have plenty of time to mess with sleazy buyers - you may not have the time for a mere $15. >>
^ This.
Give him the money back after you get the coin, take the defect, and the likely neg, and move on. It's just part of being in retail.
After 25k +/- internet sales, I've got a whole book of scary tails to tell.
Hi,xxxxx
I must say I was shocked when I received your significantly not as described request to return the coin! I have collected coins since 1967, been a full time dealer since 1995,and have worked for a grading company. While I can understand you may not believe the coin is Unc.(I believe it is). The coin is not altered. What I believe you are mistaking for solder is actually a die chip in the date.
I would be more than willing to accept a return on the coin within the terms of my auction. I feel I am at the top of the chain as far as posting accurate,unaltered pictures of the coins I sell on ebay. I don't understand why you would try to damage my reputation on ebay without at least the courtesy to contact me before you make such a harsh claim against me. Ebay uses these types of complaints to raise the cost for me to sell on ebay.
I will wait for your reply before I contact ebay and try to have them mediate our issue.
Best Regards,Darrell
you've spent more in time thinking about this issue than the coin is worth. let it go and move on. let the idiot have their hay-day in the sun.
if i lost sleep over every numbnutz experience i've had via ebay, well, i'd have a lot less sleep! ><
this comes from experience. you'd be amazing how good you feel finding the quickest way out and having the self-realization that crazy things are going to happen and there is nothing you can do to stop this.
now if you aren't really perturbed and you are just getting some amusement out of the whole thing, that is another matter entirely. i do sometimes jerk people that are that are annoying me just to throw them
off-track.
i've even had people try to use paypal to file claims on items months later, no contact, just an email from paypal stating someone tried to open a case but paypal slammed the door in their face for waiting so
long. i nearly printed out one of the messages and hung it on the wall like a trophy.
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+1
For $15, I would just say, "I'm sorry you're not pleased with the coin. I can assure you it is genuine. However, if you wish to return it, please send it back for a full refund of your purchase price."
In today's ebay landscape, it's just not worth the time and energy to fight the buyer. That's the nature of the beast now.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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Yep, the seller didn't do jack until right after I escalated it, then he basically said "Go ahead return it for a full refund," but I'm not in the business of returning counterfeits to give sellers another chance to rip somebody else off.
Because he said return it, I couldn't ask eBay to do anything further, so I had to call eBay multiple times (Three time, each was well over an hour) until they finally gave me a number to fax (WTF??? An E-Commerce site making me fax crap?) images of the coin to along with a document stating the reasons behind it being a counterfeit, along with the results of a specific gravity test despite the fact that the weight falls out of the mint tolerance range for a Morgan. >>
I can respect this thinking to an extent, but there's a big problem. I've had coins returned for not being genuine that were then graded by PCGS or NGC. I'm willing to accept that you know your coins, but I'm not willing to accept that every buyer does, or that a buyer won't just use such a claim as a convenient excuse. Imagine if you could have any raw coin on eBay free just by saying it's counterfeit and refusing to return it. Now the seller is out inventory and out the money--that's theft. eBay is by no means an expert in authenticity. Again, I appreciate what you're trying to do, but it raises serious red flags when it becomes generic policy.
If every E-Bay buyer (not saying Fade to Black doesn't know his coins, but many E-Bayers do not know their coins) can claim counterfeit and keep the coin get a refund, what's to stop the endless scams on ALL raw coins. If E-Bay allowed that, they would never sell raw coins, certainly not on my account.
If they adopted a policy that PCGS or NGC could authenticate a questionable coin, and the party that was wrong pays all the costs, then OK, but I can't see that happening. It's not "Buyer" friendly.
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<< <i>you've spent more in time thinking about this issue than the coin is worth.
+1
For $15, I would just say, "I'm sorry you're not pleased with the coin. I can assure you it is genuine. However, if you wish to return it, please send it back for a full refund of your purchase price."
In today's ebay landscape, it's just not worth the time and energy to fight the buyer. That's the nature of the beast now. >>
This.
However, I do sympathize with you for encountering someone who is obviously a kook.
Refund the clown, write it off, pour yourself a stiff drink if that's your thing, and move on.
His response:
I could be wrong, but this was a request to settle the grievance, some alteration has happened to the coin and in my opinion it has a rub, so it is not UNC disregarding the problem with the number 2, you send me my refund and I send your coin and the transaction is over.
Immediate 2nd response:
You send me the refund of my money and the postage and the deal is done, otherwise I will open a case because the coin is not UNC.
Mine:
Hi,XXXXX
You have already opened a case. I will send a refund when I receive the coin.
Best Regards, Darrell
His:
ok provide address
And my final reply with address:
I would appreciate if you would cancel the item not as described. I know you don't think it is UNC but I do .
Best Regards, Darrell
<< <i>They're basically brickwalling me into returning this counterfeit pos. I can't believe this. >>
I had to ship a counterfeit to the UK even though it was shipped by a POS Chinese dude to me here in the states!
i recall within the past 2 years that ebay was actually permitting buyers of counterfeits to destroy them after they proved to ebay they were fake and then also refunded the purchase amount. i bet a lot
of scammers and probably a few honest unsuspecting folks raised cain about it. (not just coins) i can pitcher a lot of bait and switches. dang all these deviant people got me thinking some dark thoughts!
i think i recall 1 thread about it here.
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