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"Grade Revealed"GTG on what PCGS gave my NGC 1885-S in a crossover
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Take a guess at what you think PCGS crossed my 85-S at after I cracked the coin out of it's older NGC slab and sent it in raw. I was very surprised at the result to say the least.
When I sent this 85-S in I thought for sure it would come back with at least a PL designation, I was very wrong. I am taking the coin down with me to FUN in January and submitting it to NGC to see what they come up with again.
When I sent this 85-S in I thought for sure it would come back with at least a PL designation, I was very wrong. I am taking the coin down with me to FUN in January and submitting it to NGC to see what they come up with again.
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Reminds me of some 80-CC's graded 65DM 25 years ago that had great contrast and looked DMPL until you noticed the striations and realized that at least sometime they were grading on contrast. I noticed the effect the second time I cracked one out. . .
The fields on the 85-S, however, are so cloudy, and the devices so white (knowing zero about photos) that I'm thinking photo adjustment is needed. Anyone say more about this date? The contrast, even if amped (apology), IIRC is exceptional.
Let me guess that much.
Chalk yet another one up for NGC being more conservative .. .. I attribute the whole thing as borderline random within a range
When the day comes that the realization is that NGC is at least the equal - the Kool Aid Patrol will find a way to state that PCGS' more liberal grades are simply PCGS grading as being "the smartest guy in the room" and simply being more accurate
The coin went from NGC 63PL to PCGS 64DMPL is my guess
I'm guessing PCGS BB'd it. But I'm hoping you tell us it went from 63 to 64PL.
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If not... Then 65 PL
Nice coin though
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<< <i>I would have given it an acetone bath before submitting. If the cloudiness didn't clear up I might have given it a diluted EZest dip.
I'm guessing PCGS BB'd it. But I'm hoping you tell us it went from 63 to 64PL.
Lance. >>
Neither of these would do what is needed.
The metal is (very lightly) burned from a previous dip. Acetone takes off what's above the metal, not what's part of the surface.
Dipping will, on a short-tem basis, brighten up the surfaces. Dipping will, on a short-term AND long-term basis, burn off more frost, thus less contrast, and the fields will inevitably cloud up again.
But there's a common household product that works superbly and has been known, to the cognoscenti, since long before big premiums for PL/DMPL developed.
Big hint. It's not Clorox or Drano, but it's probably on the same aisle. . . . .
<< <i>Two sides is the only one who picked up on it being better than expected .. Least that is how I interpreted the wording immediately upon reading it
Chalk yet another one up for NGC being more conservative .. .. I attribute the whole thing as borderline random within a range
When the day comes that the realization is that NGC is at least the equal - the Kool Aid Patrol will find a way to state that PCGS' more liberal grades are simply PCGS grading as being "the smartest guy in the room" and simply being more accurate
The coin went from NGC 63PL to PCGS 64DMPL is my guess >>
Succinctly put.
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<< <i>Big hint. It's not Clorox or Drano, but it's probably on the same aisle. . . . .
The dealer that explained this to me is a saint. Saved me a few hundred bucks in conservation fees. >>
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<< <i>Big hint. It's not Clorox or Drano, but it's probably on the same aisle. . . . .
The dealer that explained this to me is a saint. Saved me a few hundred bucks in conservation fees. >>
I admit...I'm clueless on this thing >>
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I threw out the 66 just to get the ball rolling.
As I looked closer I thought probably 64 and was pretty confident it would PL.
Reinforces the grading by pics dilemma.
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For cloudiness removal, buy three common CC's 62PLs, you'll get good cameos. Bright and then with somewhat progressively cloudier surfaces. If you totally screw up you'll end up with a bright white generic not worth slabbing in the first place, thus a $25-$35 loss for resale.
You'd be surprised how a little kitchen experimentation will broaden your horizons about what may hurt a coin while trying to help it. Once you get it right you'll be easily able to differentiate among what choices are good ones for "Conservation for Fun and Profit".
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11 DPL's across the street and 1 DMPL at our host (which has been around for 15+ years if I recall correctly)
Why would you risk cracking a coin like that?
BTW I like the look of the coin
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<< <i>WOW The 85-S is a hugely rare coin in PL and even more so in DMPL
11 DPL's across the street and 1 DMPL at our host (which has been around for 15+ years if I recall correctly)
Why would you risk cracking a coin like that?
BTW I like the look of the coin
About 6 years ago I needed a 85-S for my PCGS Registry Set in PL or DMPL and I came across the NGC 63 DMPL . The Morgan 85-S with PL surfaces just do not come around that often and I had been hunting for sometime now. Looking at this coin in hand it was telling me PL all day with some real decent cameo contrast to boot so I sent her in.
I did find another 85-S PL in MS64 that ended up in the set which looks like the twin of the MS63 85-S They must have come from the same dies as it is showing polishing marks in the same locations on each coin.
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