WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS BUFFALO ? 1919 MS63

Conan · August 27, 2014 7:21PM

THIS 1919 BUFFALO MS63 JUST SOLD THIS WEEK FOR JUST UNDER $2,500. - HERITAGE AUCTION 131434 LOT 27639
ANY COMMENTS OR IDEA WHY THIS IS PARTICULAR COIN IS WORTH THAT MUCH?

Manorcourtman · August 27, 2014 7:57PM

Someone wanted a 2 1/2 feather variety? It's clearly not a two feather variety.

Treashunt · August 27, 2014 8:33PM

Very clean obv fields.

But, no clue

keets · August 27, 2014 9:02PM

semi-floating head variety.

BarberFanatic · August 27, 2014 10:14PM

Besides the 2½ feathers, there's something else unusual about this coin. Let's see if anyone else besides me can figure it out.

Shamika · August 27, 2014 10:36PM

Hmmm...

Well, the strike is exceptional although many 1919-P's are very well struck...

The designer's initial (Fraser) is clearly visible...

There is no significant die rotation...

There's a large die crack running across the Indian's face although there should be no premium for that...

There's quite a bit of die abrasion under the Indian's chin, across the forehead/nose area, and across the Buffalo's back although nothing worth a premium...

I don't see an extra leg...

There's zero evidence of a mint mark...

The missing feather tip is all I can think of although I don't believe this qualifies as a true 2-feather variety.

This coin looks better than a 63, but $2,500 makes no sense at all.

Shamika · August 27, 2014 10:59PM

I went to the actual auction page to confirm that the slab wasn't incorrectly labeled (i.e. 1919-D, 1919-S, etc). My only guess is that the two highest bidders failed to look at the extreme close-up image as provided by the OP. Without zooming in, the coin looks every bit like the traditional 2-feather variety.

CaptHenway · August 28, 2014 12:52AM

<< I went to the actual auction page to confirm that the slab wasn't incorrectly labeled (i.e. 1919-D, 1919-S, etc). My only guess is that the two highest bidders failed to look at the extreme close-up image as provided by the OP. Without zooming in, the coin looks every bit like the traditional 2-feather variety. >>

That's a good guess. I suspect you are right.

Either that, or there is an O/CC mintmark we are missing.

lostincoins · August 28, 2014 12:55AM

Looks to be a very abraded and polished die, die crack on the face and what looks to be a strike through in the hair of the Indian. There appears to be remnants of a clashed die and the Indian has his lip pierced (brown spot). To be honest it looks a bit like some of the fakes I have seen. Edit to add it is also slightly off center and looks funky.

CaptHenway · August 28, 2014 12:59AM

Heavily clashed and heavily polished dies. Perhaps they polished it some more later and it became the 2-feather die, and the buyer wants to exhibit a die state progression set?

OnWithTheHunt · August 28, 2014 1:00AM

I agree with Shamika and others who think somebody believes it 's a 2-feathers.

koynekwest · August 28, 2014 2:11AM

Incredible strike and the very top of the head is polished away (it's further from the rim than normal.) But certainly not worth anywhere near the final price unless I'm missing something. I have a feeling the winner thinks they can get it attributed as a 2F.

STONE · August 28, 2014 3:43AM

Please don't write your posts in all CAPS....Thanks

Cam40 · August 28, 2014 3:59AM

Throat cut variety?
Anyway, looks well struck for an abraded die nickel.
I like it.

Broadstruck · August 28, 2014 4:06AM

With over 60 million struck whatever was seen should be able to be found without paying such a premium.

DIMEMAN · August 28, 2014 4:43AM

Missing throat???

icsoccer · August 28, 2014 4:45AM

GREAT obverse strike. NOT a two feather. Worth that much??? well to somebody...

darktone · August 28, 2014 4:51AM

Maybe in person it looks more like a two feather. The strike through in the hair is bothersome.

lkeigwin · August 28, 2014 5:23AM

I don't collect Buffalos. For this variety should there be no sign of the 3rd feather?

Here's one that looks much like the OP's and sold for well over $5k.
Lance.

leothelyon · August 28, 2014 7:34AM

It's too obvious that a poorly struck version that shows no signs of the 3rd feather is preferable. UNBELIEVEABLE!

Leo

NotSure · August 28, 2014 7:40AM

This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.

Already entertaining, sorry, PROACTIVELY entertaining offers. Anyone think this will proactively be sold???

edited to add....Given the attributed one shown, is it possible this COULD get the attribution???

Manorcourtman · August 28, 2014 8:58AM

<< This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.

Already entertaining, sorry, PROACTIVELY entertaining offers. Anyone think this will proactively be sold???

edited to add....Given the attributed one shown, is it possible this COULD get the attribution??? >>

I sent a 17-D in last year with less showing than this 1919. I got no 2 Feather label and PCGS even added a note to the grading saying some of the third feather was showing and thus not a true 2 feather. In the past it seems some questionable 2 feathers have been attributed. I don't believe it will happen on this one. Pure speculation of course.

DMWJR · August 28, 2014 10:42AM

I'm with Shamika. A couple of collectors got excited at the slab shot.

buffnut · August 28, 2014 11:54AM

It does have some extensive abrasion yes. I think the only thing that makes it unique though is the price that someone paid for it

roadrunner · August 29, 2014 8:28AM

Could be the 1919 "Olds" 442. It's Old. And has 4 eyes, 4 legs, and 2 horns.

lostincoins · August 29, 2014 12:43PM

<< Besides the 2½ feathers, there's something else unusual about this coin. Let's see if anyone else besides me can figure it out. >>

Still waiting for the answer from you?

halfhunter · August 29, 2014 1:00PM

<< semi-floating head variety. >>

I'm with you . . . Looks like the Chief was nearly beheaded ! ! !

HH

SAM5969 · August 29, 2014 1:16PM

the default on heritage for coins over $500? Is to say you are entertaining offers .. You have to opt out to not be entertaining offers so it is not possible to know if he is consciously entertaining offers

Shamika · August 29, 2014 2:09PM

<< 

<< Besides the 2½ feathers, there's something else unusual about this coin. Let's see if anyone else besides me can figure it out. >>

Still waiting for the answer from you? >>

I'm waiting as well.

WoodenJefferson · August 29, 2014 2:32PM

Looks like it's one of those 'wishful thinking' coins where you hope the graders missed the significant added value attribution.

CaptHenway · August 30, 2014 11:01AM

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<< Besides the 2½ feathers, there's something else unusual about this coin. Let's see if anyone else besides me can figure it out. >>

Still waiting for the answer from you? >>

I'm waiting as well. >>

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Neca63 · August 30, 2014 9:18PM

The lettering is well formed.
Maybe someone thought it was a proof.
Looks like a 2 and 1/2 feather abraded die variety to me.
What gives?

BUFFNIXX · August 30, 2014 11:15PM

It is a broken neck variety, and someone is putting together a registry set of finest known mint state broken neck variety buffs! Looks like the ole chief took a tomahawk chop to the neck.

ad4400 · September 2, 2014 1:40AM

This came out of the same auction as the piece I posted the "to feather or not two feather: question. I didn't bother following the 19-P as I felt that was even less close to a 2F than the 15-P. I have what I feel is a true 2F 19-P and it shows NONE of the trace this one does. I'm willing to bet both the 15-P and 19-P came from the same consignor, who at one point sought pieces that were, or were close to, 2F varieties. I suspect they are very happy with the results as well. The 15-P closed for $2K+, and while that one was closer to 2F, I suspect there will be some buyer remorse on both of those pieces.

koynekwest · September 2, 2014 6:24AM

Clear evidence of the abrading process can be seen at the top of the head, in front of the forehead, eye, and nose, below the chin and jaw, and in front of the neck. It looks sorta like a "halo" around these places. This same thing is seen occasionally on all dates.

cladking · September 2, 2014 7:16AM

I don't know what's unique about it but I'm most surprised by the die erosion
in the middle of the hair detail.. .

CaptHenway · September 2, 2014 7:21AM

Guess the OP could not find anything "unique" about it to tell us.

lostincoins · September 2, 2014 7:32AM

<< Guess the OP could not find anything "unique" about it to tell us. >>

Ok well guess I have to +1 that! Is he teasing us, are we on the fish hook and do not notice it pulling at our lip?

crazyhounddog · September 2, 2014 9:29AM

I have never herd of this variety until now.

Shamika · September 2, 2014 10:10AM

Shamika · September 2, 2014 10:12AM

<< Guess the OP could not find anything "unique" about it to tell us. >>

The OP had no idea why the coin brought such a high price. He was hoping someone else could say.

Shamika · September 2, 2014 10:15AM

<< I'm most surprised by the die erosion in the middle of the hair detail. >>

Die erosion in this area does appear from time to time with this series.

cladking · September 2, 2014 10:55AM

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Die erosion in this area does appear from time to time with this series. >>

Thanks for the info.

My experience with buffalos is largly confined to worn and well worn specimens.

Shamika · September 2, 2014 11:36AM

<< 

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Die erosion in this area does appear from time to time with this series. >>

Thanks for the info.

My experience with buffalos is largly confined to worn and well worn specimens. >>

Except in severe cases, it would be difficult to identify erosion on a worn piece.

lkeigwin · September 2, 2014 11:52AM

<< I have never herd of this variety until now. >>

LOL. Was that intentional?
Lance.

crazyhounddog · September 2, 2014 12:02PM

<< 

<< I have never herd of this variety until now. >>

LOL. Was that intentional?
Lance. >>

I hope you no it was.

AMRC · September 2, 2014 1:17PM

If it got that high, at least two people thought they saw something. I am going to say this is some kind of mistake.

leothelyon · September 2, 2014 3:34PM

<< Besides the 2½ feathers, there's something else unusual about this coin. Let's see if anyone else besides me can figure it out. >>

Possibly some clash activity behind rear buf's leg of 1/2 feather?

Toadd; and on the neck.

Neca63 · September 9, 2014 1:27AM

Leave it to plastic to hide the coins edge.
Possibly valued the coin as a Miss Aligned Die error...MAD.
On the Obv, the rim below the date seems to disappear.

ad4400 · December 11, 2014 12:55AM

Amazingly, at least IMO, this one is also now attributed . I'm feeling I should strike while the iron is hot and send in anything close.

WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS BUFFALO ? 1919 MS63

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