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United States: bronze Civil War token, "Our Little Monitor" type, 1863

lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
United States: bronze Civil War token, "Our Little Monitor" type, 1863







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(The absolutely wretched slab images below were borrowed from the NGC cert page, until I get a chance to make another set.)

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Obverse: Monitor type ironclad warship sailing left over waves, US flag on stern, guns firing forward from turret.



Reverse: Date within wreath (laurel sprig at left, oak at right), anchor above, crossed cannons and three cannonballs below.



Fuld 237/423a. NGC MS65 BN, cert. #3184777-012. Ex-"friscomint1793" (eBay), 3/13/14.



As a child, I built model kits of the epic Civil War adversaries USS Monitor and CSS Virginia (aka "Merrimack"). Numismatically, I wanted one of these "Monitor" tokens and in the spring of 2014 I had actually purchased a nice colorful one graded NGC MS63 BN, but the seller told me it had been stolen from their inventory at a show. I got a refund, of course, but was a bit disappointed. However, Collectors Universe member "Broadstruck", who has advised me on token matters before, pointed out this one. It is actually graded two points higher than the one I'd bought before, and with the Best Offer feature on eBay, I ended up getting it for significantly less than the previous MS63 I'd bought! Furthermore, I got it for less than half what it had sold for in the 2010 Stacks-Bowers Baltimore sale! So needless to say, I was very pleased, and owe Broadstruck a debt of gratitude.



Miscellaneous links:

Larger image

NGC cert verification page

Stacks-Bowers auction archive (2010 Baltimore Sale, Lot #21, realized $345.00)



Wikipedia links:

Civil War token

USS Monitor

Battle of Hampton Road







When posted here, this coin was part of my "Eclectic Box of 20" collection.




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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful! I really love this design. Congrats on the new pick up, and I'm glad it worked out for you.

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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Nice!image
    Becky
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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nicer token for less money? Congratulations. image

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I dunno that it's "nicer". Maybe "as nice".

    Eye appeal based on the photos, it's pretty close.

    Of course the two extra grade points on the slab label and the 61 bucks less on the invoice were nice.

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love Happy Endings image

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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great to hear that it all worked out.
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say Broadstruck guided you to a winner. Great token!
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    TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭✭
    That's a beauty! I love the design. image
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excellent token and a great deal....Cheers, RickO
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This token is in hand as of today, and I like it. There's that odd little untoned area at about 2:00 on the reverse which makes me wonder, but it's not terribly distracting.

    All in all I am pleased, and very pleased for the money, I think.

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    thisnamztakenthisnamztaken Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice one. Maybe there was a piece of foreign matter on that un-toned area for a long time before it was submitted?
    I like your new AV' too. Can you share any info on it?
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,198 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like your new AV' too. Can you share any info on it? >>

    The new avatar (just paid for- woohoo!) is coming from SmEagle1795, he of the mindblowing collection of ancients.

    So it would seem one of his "cheaper" castoffs will become one of my top pieces.

    Here is an excerpt from the Harlan J. Berk sale catalog (Buy-Or-Bid Sale #186, Lot 90):

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    And a bit of history:

    << <i>Although the attribution of this issue has been debated, it seems likely that it was struck by Perseus to pay Cretan mercenaries, who would have been familiar with Rhodian issues, in the Third Macedonian War against the Romans (see R. Ashton, NC 1988, pp. 29-30) >>


    I guess the amount listed in the HJB catalog was an estimate. I paid more than that, but not a lot more. SmEagle1795 sold it to me at his cost, and for a good bit below what he'd been asking for it on the Darkside BST, which I thought mighty kind of him. I think the coin was worth his original asking price, actually. I did some comparison shopping on VCoins and saw only one that came close. And it wasn't Mint State or as nicely toned as this one. Plus it was priced at a thousand. Pounds. So 1600 bucks or so, in other words. I got this one for a tad less than half that. Maybe it's crass of me to even discuss all of this, but suffice it to say, I thought it was a sweetheart deal and am very grateful to SE1795 for it. image


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    BurksBurks Posts: 1,103
    Your new avatar would be at the very front of my Box of 20. I'd almost be impossible to bump that down. So it'd be a permanent spot.

    The token on the other hand would still be in the top 10. Very hard to beat that one. Color, design, history...it's got a lot going for it in such a small package.
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    thisnamztakenthisnamztaken Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the info. It's a beautiful example and I don't blame you for being excited about it! image
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here ya go lordmarcovan it sold for $345.00 at Stack's 2010 image

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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lord, I like your new avatar, too. Who is that, Jim Morrison?

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,200 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here ya go lordmarcovan it sold for $345.00 at Stack's 2010 image
    Lordy, looks like he got at a much lower price four years later. Congrats.

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,198 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here ya go lordmarcovan it sold for $345.00 at Stack's 2010 image

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    Wow! I got it for a little less than half that much! image

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    Nice to get a lucky break every once in a while. image

    Oh, and I like those pix better. Thanks again!

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