NAC Low Relief Satin PR61 1922 Peace Dollar Help

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 2:06AM

I know that NAC is a self slabber but what I need to know is if this coin is real. From looking at PCGS, NGC and Heratige it looks like similar coins that have been sold in this grade. I have never seen one in person so I don't know what I am looking at.

commoncents05 · October 15, 2013 2:09AM

Looks like a real business strike to me.

-Paul

Rampage · October 15, 2013 2:17AM

It looks like a business strike to me, and a cleaned AU one at that.

L1ncolnF4n · October 15, 2013 2:20AM

<< Looks like a real business strike to me.

-Paul >>

+1

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 2:28AM

ok Thank you I am going out to get a macro lens today for better pics because it does have full pinwheels obverse and reverse. I will gets some of those Ikea lights also cents everyone likes them

braddick · October 15, 2013 2:54AM

<< ok Thank you I am going out to get a macro lens today for better pics because it does have full pinwheels obverse and reverse. I will gets some of those Ikea lights also cents everyone likes them >>

Ok, help me out here: What is a pinwheel?

BillJones · October 15, 2013 3:05AM

<< ok Thank you I am going out to get a macro lens today for better pics because it does have full pinwheels obverse and reverse. I will gets some of those Ikea lights also cents everyone likes them >>

I think he means "cartwheels" instead of "pinwheels." The coin does appear to have cartwheel luster on the reverse, and if it does, it's not Matte Proof, and not a Proof in any way because the 1922 low relief coin was only made as a Matte Proof.

This is an example of a third world grading service with an active imagination.

There is a picture of the real thing on the Coin Facts site.

TomB · October 15, 2013 3:07AM

Simply going by the image, it looks like it might have a layer of PVC on the obverse.

Shortgapbob · October 15, 2013 3:08AM

Looks like $23 to me.

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 3:09AM

both satin and mat proofs have been sold on Heritage and are holdered by PCGS and NGC with the different designations. I know this is not a mat (sandblast) proof. The satin proof descriptions talked about the cartwheels etc Sorry for the pinwheel. Here are 2 of them.
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braddick · October 15, 2013 3:16AM

Ok, cool. Suspected as such, but am ripe to learn something new here quite often.
Thought perhaps it was a term I am unfamiliar with.

Although I agree with everyone here as to its authenticity, it does have a certain "look" I find appealing. It would be an enjoyable coin to own.

BillJones · October 15, 2013 3:19AM

<< both satin and mat proofs have been sold on Heritage and are holdered by PCGS and NGC with the different designations. I know this is not a mat (sandblast) proof. The satin proof descriptions talked about the cartwheels etc Sorry for the pinwheel. Here are 2 of them.
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Both of these links lead to dead ends for me.

DennisH · October 15, 2013 3:47AM

Doesn't look like a proof of any kind to me.

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 3:52AM

sorry the links were to 2 satin proofs on heritage

yosclimber · October 15, 2013 5:02AM

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=416&lotNo=2574&x=0&y=0
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1181%20&lotNo=5755&x=0&y=0

crypto79 · October 15, 2013 6:10AM

<< sorry the links were to 2 satin proofs on heritage >>

To two 1921 satin proofs, There is a reason you might have a hard time finding a 1922 example. There is no chance that this is a proof, not even 0.000000000001%.

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 6:25AM

I was asking about the coin because it looked like this coin and I was not sure but telling me they don't exist is incorrect.Not trying to be argumentative I understand that everyone opines this to not be a 1922 Satin Proof.
1922 $1 Low Relief Satin PR63 NGC 1775281-001
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=402&lotNo=1261
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BillJones · October 15, 2013 6:50AM

<< I was asking about the coin because it looked like this coin and I was not sure but telling me they don't exist is incorrect.Not trying to be argumentative I understand that everyone opines this to not be a 1922 Satin Proof.
1922 $1 Low Relief Satin PR63 NGC 1775281-001
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=402&lotNo=1261
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There are differences between the services as to whether or not certain coins exist in Proof. For example NGC says that the 1907 High Relief $20 gold exists in Proof; PCGS says it doesn't; or at least they won't certifiy the coin in Proof.

Matte Proof coins are a pain in butt to blunt about it. Sometimes there is so little difference between the business strike and the Proof that experts can differ. At any rate I am quite sure that the 1922 dollar you posted here is not a Proof.

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 11:51AM

thank you I appreciate the information. I was reading on them and what makes it worse is the fact that the proof dies were used to do the business strikes as well especially on the 21. Every day is a learning experience and there is just to much at times. Sorry if I got snotty. I am much nicer than I used to be LOL. I also understand this is not a proof coin but it did look alot like the pic on Heritage, the surface is just so interesting. I have had frosty coins but this is far beyond just frosty and it still has reflectivity and cartwheels which is why I asked, again thank you all that responded.

poorguy · October 15, 2013 12:31PM

I can say with near certainty that is not a satin proof Peace dollar. There are numerous contact marks and surface abrasions and rim cuts most likely indicating time in a mint bag. The rim is not hard cut but sloping as you can see near the date well. The high points on the obverse show significant signs of rub, automatically making this au in the first place. To have been able to get one of these back when they were struck was crazy difficult and for it to fall to the wayside and end up in circulation is highly unlikely. I have only handled the two sandblast low relief 1922 peace dollars but this coin has not one hallmark of being anything close to proof quality. What you are seeing as "frost" on the obverse is not frost at all. Frost exhibits a mint bloom and shimmers. What is on the surface of this coin is verry commonly known as silver oxide, not silver sulfide which results in a transparent clear film that refracts light causing the rainbow spectrum as seen on rainbow bag toned coins, but silver oxide that was created when the coins surface was stripped and the exposed silver reacted with oxygen in the atmosphere creating the dusty patination silver oxide. Yes, proof dies were used to strike business strikes such as in the 1921 vam 1H variety and it is pretty decieving as the first few off the press struck with those dies were very close to the proofs that were produced but small distinctions do exist that seperate them. Mostly, the rim meeting the field is not as sharp as on proofs and presence of contact marks.

ProofArtworkonCircs · October 15, 2013 1:06PM

<<The coin does appear to have cartwheel luster on the reverse, and if it does, it's not Matte Proof, and not a Proof in any way because the 1922 low relief coin was only made as a Matte Proof.>>

In addition, this coin, obverse and reverse, is from the second low relief hubs and all low relief proofs were from the first hubs.

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 2:14PM

thank you for the hub info that helps also. Good thing I did not actually pay for this coin.

lostincoins · October 15, 2013 2:21PM

Thank you also Brandon that info is very helpful to me.

NAC Low Relief Satin PR61 1922 Peace Dollar Help

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