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NGC Peace dollars 314xxxxx AT? leather pouch hoard?

After purchasing this coin I have been hearing rumors abound. I was told these are from the leather pouch hoard which I have never heard of. All the 314 series fattys are 24p' and AT. Just curious what all the fuss is about. Sounds like BS to me.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    interested to hear others ideas of what is going on first.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LINK

    Promotion, pure and simple.

    peacockcoins



  • << <i>LINK

    Promotion, pure and simple. >>



    Hi,

    link not working?

    Eric
  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love the subtle toning no story needed but old storys if true help.


  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    Ops DP
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    Ehhh who cares about fairy tales


  • << <i>Ops DP >>



    Sorry I am not good with abbreviations. What does this stand for?
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    double post
    LCoopie = Les


  • << <i>Love the subtle toning no story needed but old storys if true help. >>



    I agree. Love the toning. Didnt hear the story until after I bought it. Would not have made a difference. I am just curious what others have heard.

    Some comments have been "that is subtle toning for a 314" or other variations. I would guess the only 314's in memory tend to be coins with more extravagent toning. There are probably plenty not so much as it appears quite a few were submitted.


  • << <i>LINK

    Promotion, pure and simple. >>



    Link does not work.

    I agree promotion. Just curious what others have heard.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭✭
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    beautiful peace dollar in a great NGC holder!
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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Some comments have been "that is subtle toning for a 314" or other variations. >>



    I've seen a lot of these "314" Peace Dollars and believe them all to be AT.
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Promotion, pure and simple. >>




    I've fixed your link for you. See below:

    Fixed Link





  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT or not they will sticker making them market acceptable...

    You Searched For Cert Number: 314573098

    Serial Number: 314573098
    Grading Service: NGC
    Description: 1924 Dollars Peace MS65
    Status: image

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  • << <i>

    << <i>Promotion, pure and simple. >>




    I've fixed your link for you. See below:

    Fixed Link >>



    The seller of this coin got the conversation going. There has been a couple in agreement. Most have disregarded the topic in general.

    It has become quite obvious this is fiction with no valid merit.

    edited: I used conservation instead of conversation
  • CyStaterCyStater Posts: 681 ✭✭✭
    Never knew this story. Here is my fatty 314. Guess I will have to get rid of it at melt now. image
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  • ConstantineConstantine Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭
    I don't see any AT issues with these coins. Those no line fatties could have added some toning over the years.
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Years ago at shows I have seen a bunch of the 3144-3145 "hoard." Most all have a distinct pattern I can always recognize. The ones in this thread not so much.
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have seen a bunch of the 3144-3145 "hoard." Most all have a distinct pattern I can always recognize. The ones in this thread not so much. >>



    I agree.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another Leather Pouch Hoard Peace $1 stickers....

    image
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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another Leather Pouch Hoard Peace $1 stickers....

    image >>



    Heh Heh
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,515 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>beautiful peace dollar in a great NGC holder! >>




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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Heh Heh >>



    Not really a laughing matter if these are the type of toners they are making a market for imageimage
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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Heh Heh >>



    Not really a laughing matter if these are the type of toners they are making a market for imageimage >>



    What, you gonna tell me what I can laugh at now? image I couldn't care less what they make a market in.
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
  • coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Some comments have been "that is subtle toning for a 314" or other variations. >>



    I've seen a lot of these "314" Peace Dollars and believe them all to be AT. >>



    Some of them look suspicious to me, but many of them do not. I think the coin in the OP looks fine to me, and I wouldn't automatically condemn all coins beginning with 314. Even assuming that a couple of invoices full of AT coins made it through, by stigmatizing the beginning of the serial number, there are hundreds of other potential coins that are fine that were not submitted by the same submitter that are hurt by overly broad generalizations. Like every coin, these should be analyzed based on the merits of the individual coin in question.
  • coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭


    << <i> Sounds like BS >>



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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Years ago I didn't want to believe it either. I became convinced. I've seen enough of these in person also. Matter fact a whole bunch.
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
  • I am assuming I am the only one posting who has seen the coin in the op in hand. I will say that if this coin were to be cracked and resubmitted that it definately be MA. I also hope the new owner is enjoying the coin.
  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Years ago I didn't want to believe it either. I became convinced. I've seen enough of these in person also. Matter fact a whole bunch. >>



    +1... plus I heard the entire story from someone who was on the bourse floor when these coins showed up. Pretty but AT but they have been in holders for so long and have traded so often they are considered "grandfathered-in."
  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    Have any of these "314s" been successfully crossed?

    HH
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are y'all saying that CAC cannot determine AT from NT??? I am shocked..image Cheers, RickO
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Heh Heh >>



    Not really a laughing matter if these are the type of toners they are making a market for imageimage >>



    It was said a while back CAC didn't sticker AT so while not a laughing matter, an item of interest.
  • drfishdrfish Posts: 931 ✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't the toning progess even in the holder? Even if the ball got rolling through an artificial rather than accidental environmental or storage conditions, the toning eventually progresses to the point where it looks natural. Seems this could explain the possible AT beginnings for these coins that are now starting to get CAC approval.
  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Doesn't the toning progess even in the holder? Even if the ball got rolling through an artificial rather than accidental environmental or storage conditions, the toning eventually progresses to the point where it looks natural. Seems this could explain the possible AT beginnings for these coins that are now starting to get CAC approval. >>



    No they are stable and havent progressed at all...

    And while there is no way to be 100% sure I have seen some similar looking coins in PCGS plastic.

    These arent the only AT coins that have been given the okay to be in plastic or to be CAC's... other hoards of toners come to mind as well. Remember if a coin comes with a "story" there's usually a reason it needs a story.
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> plus I heard the entire story from someone who was on the bourse floor when these coins showed up. >>




    I believe I did as well, and probably from the same person.
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!


  • << <i>Ehhh who cares about fairy tales >>



    Theists.
  • coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭


    << <i>These arent the only AT coins that have been given the okay to be in plastic or to be CAC's... other hoards of toners come to mind as well. Remember if a coin comes with a "story" there's usually a reason it needs a story. >>



    By your logic Binion and Battle Creek toners would follow the same route, which is inaccurate to say the least.
  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>These arent the only AT coins that have been given the okay to be in plastic or to be CAC's... other hoards of toners come to mind as well. Remember if a coin comes with a "story" there's usually a reason it needs a story. >>



    By your logic Binion and Battle Creek toners would follow the same route, which is inaccurate to say the least. >>



    Now you're just being arbitrary to be arbitrary. Toned Binions have never been questioned. I dont know about the Battle Creeks but there are other hoards that are suspicious. If you dont realize which ones I am hinting at I would suggestion that you educate yourself.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another 314xxxxx leather pouch hoard received a CAC sticker...

    image
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Bury your memories bury your friends,
    Leave it alone for a year or two.
    Till the stories go hazy and the legends come true,
    Then do it again. Some Things never end.
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another 314xxxxx leather pouch hoard received a CAC sticker...

    image >>



    VERY Classy to post a coin here that I currently have for sale on the BST stating it is AT. Again, you feel EVERYTHING is either cleaned and retoned or AT. Give it a rest.
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  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    I just really don't care. But that's just me.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>VERY Classy to post a coin here that I currently have for sale on the BST stating it is AT. Again, you feel EVERYTHING is either cleaned and retoned or AT. Give it a rest. >>




    It was VERY CLASSY for you to attack & give me grief last night in unrelated thread when all I did was notify you in the morning via PM with information that your dollar is part of this known AT hoard.

    You should be appalled knowing all the info on these for 30+ hours & still promoting it on the BST with a glorious better then white bread description! image

    So it's also VERY CLASSY of you trying to profit while deeply burying another member at a level of which he or she may never recover from image

    Edited to add:

    Seriously AnkurJ as a regular show goer who sees enough coins in hand...

    If as in your description below you've never seen toning like this wouldn't it make you question something just isn't right image

    1924 Peace Dollar NGC MS64 CAC Old Fattie Holder. Just an amazing coin in every way! The obverse boasts red and teal blue toning along the periphery with hints of pink. The reverse is very unique and the first time I have seen toning like this. The images may appear to be dark, but the color is steel grey with hints of green and purple within the eagle. What is amazing is there is gorgeous mint luster on the reverse which makes it POP! This is the type of coin that could go nuts at auction. Priced strong as its an amazing coin. My apologizes for the Iphone images. $1699
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  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭


    << <i> $1699 >>



    $1699 ? For a MS64 toned Peace $ ? Really ? Is that market for these now ?
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have been told by a reputable Peace Dollar Specialist/Dealer (who actively participates on this forum) that the toning on this 1921 Peace Dollar is reminiscent of Leather Pouch toning...

    1921 Toned Peace Dollar
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have been told by a reputable Peace Dollar Specialist/Dealer (who actively participates on this forum) that the toning on this 1921 Peace Dollar is reminiscent of Leather Pouch toning >>



    Based on your 3rd & 4th photo toning like this would occur when silver coins where left raw in a velvet coin tray. A B&M dealer I used to visit when I first got my drivers license used to keep all his coins raw displayed as such. Half Cents at the back of the store, Dollars toward the front exposed to the UV rays & heat of the sun. You could actually watch the toning progression between visits. I was also given a ASE in a Crown Royal velvet purple bag years ago which had toned over in the same hues.
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  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i> $1699 >>



    $1699 ? For a MS64 toned Peace $ ? Really ? Is that market for these now ? >>



    And a 314XXX-XXX to boot.
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,060 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It was VERY CLASSY for you to attack & give me grief last night in unrelated thread when all I did was notify you in the morning via PM with information that your dollar is part of this known AT hoard.
    >>



    I have yet to see any proof of a known AT hoard. Rather, I have read much unsupported speculation. There are many coins beginning with those serial numbers that look nothing like this and are fine, and there are some that are suspect. How does this differ from any other serial numbers? Questionably toned pieces sliding by a grading service is nothing new. Moreover, it appears that this alleged hoard is from several different submissions. Has anyone ever written to inquire as to whether these were all submitted by the same person or group?

    And for the record, I offer no opinion on Ankur's coin and think it is in poor taste to post a coin that is active in the BST.

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