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2003 PCGS MS70 LINCOLN

Got my coin from PCGS today, I send it for a spot review several months ago, guess what...
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    You still haven't heard anything from them????
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    There is not longer a 2003 MS70 cent?
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭
    The pop report shows no 2003 MS70RD Cent.....

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    gesundheit? image
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    << <i>The pop report shows no 2003 MS70RD Cent.....

    -Paul >>



    In that case, I see this thread going 100+
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭


    << <i>In that case, I see this thread going 100+ >>



    Easily....

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    They gave it a 72, with a sticker?
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    compromonedascompromonedas Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭


    << <i>There is not longer a 2003 MS70 cent? >>



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    more information will follow

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    GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    What??? That penny was the most awesome I had ever seen. What happened??? Toning? Milk spots? Oh my God!!!! Tell us it isn't true. Lie to us if you have too. image
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    zeus135zeus135 Posts: 1,043
    Wow, I can't wait to hear "the rest of the story".
    My humble '63 mint registry set, not much, but it's mine!
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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I realize you wrote "spot review", but could it now be classified as an SMS?
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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow, I can't wait to hear "the rest of the story". >>



    Here you go:

    It's a Zincoln. What else was going to happen?

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    GrivGriv Posts: 2,804


    << <i>

    << <i>Wow, I can't wait to hear "the rest of the story". >>



    Here you go:

    It's a Zincoln. What else was going to happen?

    [edited: sentence removed] >>



    But it's only been a month! Tell me it ain't so.
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    Uh oh, just used Cert Verification and found this...

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    Downgraded to a 69!
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    WOW! Whats something like that do to price?
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    eCoinquesteCoinquest Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭
    WOW, does that mean PCGS is going to send you a check for 15K or something??!!image
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    TACloughTAClough Posts: 1,598
    That had to be expensive - for some oneimage
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    I am just curious as to why you sent the coin in for a spot review????
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    << <i>I am just curious as to why you sent the coin in for a spot review???? >>



    Because it had spots?
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    compromonedascompromonedas Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭
    The coin developed a carbon spot in the reverse, PCGS return all the money I paid, botton line is that PCGS guarantee is the best in the market. I still have the coin, the obverse still in perfect condition. Is not the first time that i have to use the PCGS guarantee and every time I receive a fair value for the coin. That is why PCGS is the best at this time
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    Lol that makes total sense, but with the guarantee PCGS has I think I woulda held on to a pop 1 coin and let the value go up some before sending it in.... Guess that would be rolling the dice a bit much... Another coin could come along 70 and drop the value....
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    << <i>Lol that makes total sense, but with the guarantee PCGS has I think I woulda held on to a pop 1 coin and let the value go up some before sending it in.... Guess that would be rolling the dice a bit much... Another coin could come along 70 and drop the value.... >>




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    smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,885 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>MrSpud's Curse Bottom of pg1.image >>



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    On another note, thanks for the update Keith. A fascinating story to follow this last year and a half.
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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Thats why collecting MS70 modern coinage is not worth it.... "spots"
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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After shelling out that kind of money.........I,m guessing we won't be seeing another 70 anytime soon.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ruh-roh.
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    DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    << <i>The coin developed a carbon spot in the reverse, PCGS return all the money I paid, botton line is that PCGS guarantee is the best in the market. I still have the coin, the obverse still in perfect condition. Is not the first time that i have to use the PCGS guarantee and every time I receive a fair value for the coin. That is why PCGS is the best at this time
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    Glad to hear they made things right, but i'm not surprised. After they bragged about this MS70 cent on their website for weeks, and if they turned around and hosed you on the pay out, the bad press would follow them for a long time. It was a marketing move to pay you that amount, as i'm sure they didn't want to but had to save face. Anyway, sorry to hear the coin went bad, and i'm glad you were fully compensated

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    wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $20 grading fee in and $15,000 out. Good job PCGS doing the right thing as usual.

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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS should have let all 3 that were initially graded 70 go out. Been much easier on the wallet.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    Kudo's to PCGS.

    Across the street wouldn't do that.

    This benefits every coin in a PCGS holder and keeps the value up.

    Now for more MS70 Lincolns....I doubt it!
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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS has graded a bunch of mint set MS70s

    The 63 still cost them more, and that was well before these 3 2003's were graded.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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    DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    << <i>Kudo's to PCGS.

    Across the street wouldn't do that.

    This benefits every coin in a PCGS holder and keeps the value up.

    Now for more MS70 Lincolns....I doubt it! >>



    FYI, NGC has and does do this sort of thing too. There is a reason they are both at the top of the heap with grading companies; both have paid big bucks to buy back coins
    that went bad, had problems or other things.
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    tmcsr69tmcsr69 Posts: 1,307
    What's the chances that PCGS will be swamped with 2003-S Lincolns for grading? Someone trying to get the one and only 70.
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    FYI, NGC has and does do this sort of thing too. There is a reason they are both at the top of the heap with grading companies; both have paid big bucks to buy back coins
    that went bad, had problems or other things

    Not true for copper....try it. I've tried it and they say no dice!!!!

    They do buy back other coins, and I've had that happen. My reference was on copper, as this thread was about copper.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NGC has a ten-year guarantee on copper, so it would have held in this instance.
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    Why did they turn me down on a coin that was graded within several years?

    Maybe I jsut don't count as an authorized NGC dealer. David Lange turned me down.

    Never ever had that issue with PCGS.
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    DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    << <i>NGC has a ten-year guarantee on copper, so it would have held in this instance. >>




    True. if they would have graded this coin, and then made a big marketing stink about it on their website, i'll be willing to bet my life they would have done the exact same thing for the exact same money.
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    wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen this reference to 3 coins being graded MS70RD many times now.

    Of course, all that is referring to is the fact that 3 coins were selected as 70 candidates from the large bulk lot before the finalizer knocked out 2 of the coins - presumably on their merit as only being MS69RD quality.

    So, any way you slice it - there was always only -1- business strike MS70RD graded by PCGS and now, once again, there are -0- coins.

    I liked the coin as an MS70RD and it is unfortunate that the spot developed. Of course, the question is how exactly did the spot develop? We may never know for sure, but, a very special coin is now no longer. Wondercoin

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    GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    That is plain sad! Nothing else to say. I was already to find #2 but now there is no #1. Why look?
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    DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    << <i>Why did they turn me down on a coin that was graded within several years?

    Maybe I jsut don't count as an authorized NGC dealer. David Lange turned me down.

    Never ever had that issue with PCGS. >>



    try submitting milk spotted ASEs to PCGS, getting them back within 6 months of review, and then getting fair market value for them. doesn't happen very often. The services pick and choose about who they want to pay out to and why. I think that is obvious. In situations where there is a lot of publicity surrounding it, you can count on them dishing out the dough. Both PCGS and NGC have multi-million $ coins in their holders, they aren't going to start hosing the owners of highly publicized coins anytime soon. Everyone else? thats a crapshoot

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NGC started to guarantee their copper on April 1, 2000 and any pieces graded before that time are not covered.
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    wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tom; Is there any easy way for a collector to determine the copper coin was graded after 4/1 /00 - did holders change on that date?

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Howdy Mitch. I really don't know if there is an easy way to determine that cutoff date. The April 1, 2000 date is listed on the NGC site as the date where the guarantee takes effect, but they do not list any attribute of the slab to help determine the date of certification.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,538 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have seen this reference to 3 coins being graded MS70RD many times now.

    Of course, all that is referring to is the fact that 3 coins were selected as 70 candidates from the large bulk lot before the finalizer knocked out 2 of the coins - presumably on their merit as only being MS69RD quality.

    . >>



    How did this become public knowledge? Was it part of the PCGS press release regarding the MS70 Lincoln? (I don't recall this)
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    wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe dbldie55 mentioned he heard it from someone on the inside at PCGS (please correct if I am wrong on this). Indeed, even the original submittor of the coins that yielded the MS70RD piece was not aware of this.

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If your not 1st your last that is what Ricky bobby say's but happy you got your $$$$ back. image


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