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I am starting a new thread with this post, as I think people should know more about Dr. Sheldon who gave us the Sheldon scale:

The Horrible Dr. William H. Sheldon - Fraud, Liar and Thief

If everyone in numismatics understood who William Sheldon was, the Sheldon scale would be boycotted. In numismatics, he is strongly believed to have stolen coins from the ANS's Clapp collection of large cents while studying the ANS coins for his famed book, "Penny Whimsey." (He switched them out with lower-grade specimens from his own set.) Later, when entrusted with the collection of a dying man (James Clarke), he found some coins in the Clarke collection that were better than those he had stolen from Clapp, so he pulled the switcheroo again, taking the Clarke coins for himself, and putting the stolen Clapp coins back into the dying Clarke's collection. When Clarke died, Roy Naftzger bought his collection, and thus unknowingly got some of the ANS coins. Ironically, years later Naftzger also bought Sheldon's collection, which thus contained coins stolen from the ANS ex Clapp, as well as coins stolen from Clarke. The ANS was left with Sheldon's inferior coins, and in the end, Naftzger likely ended up with most of the ANS coins, including the lesser coins that Sheldon had double-switched back into the Clarke collection !! (For his part, Naftzger apparently knew of Sheldon's foul play, yet he refused to give up the stolen property, and ended up being sued by the ANS. He lost.)

But what is more shocking is that this was the SAME William Sheldon who argued that skull sizes and shapes proved that African-Americans and Mexicans were intellectually and evolutionarily inferior. (His pseudo-scientific theories have since been thoroughly discredited, as have been his methods of data collection and analysis.) Among other things, he claimed to have "proven" that Africans could not learn or develop intellectually beyond age 10 !!

As if that were not enough, this is the very same William Sheldon who developed the theory of somatotype (body type), including the three classes ectomorph, mesomorph, and endomorph. In order to "study" body types, he somehow conned all of the nation's top universities into coercing all of their incoming freshmen of both genders to be photographed NUDE. The students were told it was a medical necessity, and part of an academic study, and they were forced to cooperate. The practice went on for over a decade. In today's world, this would immediately generate a firestorm of protest and lawsuits. The New York Times Sunday Magazine section did a retrospective exposé of the nude photography scandal a few years back. I remember reading it and being appalled. I imagined that I would have had the guts to refuse, and would have told the "doctors" to go to hell.

Numismatics should abandon Sheldon's legacy. Sheldon's reputation should join him in Hell, where he shall undoubtedly reside for a long time.

Sunnywood

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I wonder what he thought about bears?

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<< I wonder what he thought about bears? >>



With or without fur??

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He and Breen are probably enjoying adjacent cells in hell.

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I like beers.

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Thursday September 22, 2005 5:25 PM

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Hell for stealing and shooting a few nudes

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<< During the 1960's and '70's, Diane Sawyer, Nora Ephron, Sally Quinn, Hillary Rodham, and a host of other unwilling subjects were caught on coldly unflattering film. >>



Hillary naked!

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<< He and Breen are probably enjoying adjacent cells in hell.

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Thursday September 22, 2005 5:40 PM

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a quack I tel ya!

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Fascinating.

Power/Wealth corrupts. Even the best meaning people can get corrupted. Politically I am a very firm believer in absolute openness and complete checks and balances. Anyway this Naftzger comes off rather poorly as well.

I think we, at the coin forum, should do an open source type of project where we develop a new grading scale to replace the sheldon scale.

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Carl, there has been a movement afoot in the numismatic community for some time to convert to a 100-point scale. Most of us would probably tear our hair out, and the grading services would love it. But now that I know more about Dr. Sheldon, I say let's deep-six the 70-point "Sheldon scale" !!!

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Thursday September 22, 2005 6:04 PM

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Why dont we just rename the scale we have now?

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DickyBetz, great idea !! Can't imagine why I never thought of that !!! Any suggestions for a new name?

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Its been suggested by many to switch to 100 point scale.

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<< Learn something new around here every day. >>



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It's crazy but there's smoething instructive in these individuals (Sheldon and Breen) - proving there are prob'ly very, very few of us without a skeleton, or a potential one, tucked away. Personally, I find Sheldon to have been morally corrupt, but Breen, far worse...

Just rename the scale, if it bothers that much.

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<< Carl, there has been a movement afoot in the numismatic community for some time to convert to a 100-point scale. Most of us would probably tear our hair out, and the grading services would love it. But now that I know more about Dr. Sheldon, I say let's deep-six the 70-point "Sheldon scale" !!! >>



I think the 100 point scale could be workable, if done right. For it to work, do it in a percentage scale - 100% = MS-70 to 0% = Basal (Poor). The Sheldon scale is far from perfect, and reading the negative stuff on this guy and what he did, the hobby really should take a hard look - I think that the Sheldon system should really be dumped - our hobby deserves better.

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<<

<< Carl, there has been a movement afoot in the numismatic community for some time to convert to a 100-point scale. Most of us would probably tear our hair out, and the grading services would love it. But now that I know more about Dr. Sheldon, I say let's deep-six the 70-point "Sheldon scale" !!! >>

I think the 100 point scale could be workable, if done right. For it to work, do it in a percentage scale - 100% = MS-70 to 0% = Basal (Poor). The Sheldon scale is far from perfect, and reading the negative stuff on this guy and what he did, the hobby really should take a hard look - I think that the Sheldon system should really be dumped - our hobby deserves better.
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And as far as Walter Breen is concerned, he wrote decent numismatic books, and he should be praised for that. But his private life is a whole different matter, as most of us already know. To sum it up, Breen and Sheldon pretty much proves that some people have skeletons in their closet.

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