YOU MAKE THE CALL 7! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

jtryka · November 19, 2002 11:01AM

OK! It's been a long, long time, but I figure it would be fun to have another grading contest! Same rules as before, you get 1 point for every point you are off on the grade (i.e. if you guess MS-63 and it's MS-65, you get 2 points), and 1/2 point for missing designations (i.e. if you guess DCAM and it's CAM, etc). The person with the LOWEST total score wins, and in the event of a tie, any comments included in the guesses will be considered, or as a last resort, I will rely on a random number generator in Excel. You may only win one of these every 60 days, so if you won one of these in the last 60 days, you cannot win the prize, but you are welcome to guess for fun! Since it's been so long since my last contest, I will extend this one for 2 days instead of the normal 1-day, so the contest will end at 7:00 PM Pacific Time (10:00 PM Eastern Time) Thursday, November 21, 2002. The PRIZE this time is a 1971-S Unc. silver "Blue Ike" dollar! (don't get too excited, it's not the prettiest one I've seen, but at least it's free for the winner!) For this contest, we are going to mix it up a bit on the grading service, but will look at the five major types of double eagles, Type 1, 2 and 3 Liberty and With Motto and No Motto Saint-Gaudens designs (sorry no HR). Here they are with the grading service noted:

Type I Liberty Obverse - ANACS
Type I Liberty Reverse - ANACS
Type II Liberty Obverse - ICG
Type II Liberty Reverse - ICG
Type III Liberty Obverse - PCGS
Type III Liberty Reverse - PCGS
No Motto Obverse - PCGS
No Motto Reverse - PCGS
With Motto Obverse - NGC
With Motto Reverse - NGC

***Please send me a PM with your guesses, or e-mail me at jtryka@hotmail.com, as guesses posted on the open forum may give some an unfair advantage. HAVE FUN!!! Do NOT Post guesses in the open forum!!! ***

PS-I know my pictures aren't the greatest, but try to have fun anyway!

SEE RESULTS BELOW!

hookedoncoins · November 19, 2002 11:08AM

PM Sent.

-Jarrett Roberts

KlectorKid · November 19, 2002 11:09AM

Nice coins! I guess...

MAULUMALL · November 19, 2002 11:10AM

jtryka
One day I will aquire enough Knowlage to partake in one of your contests.

I imagine in a few years after that I might do well enough to keep you from busting your guts.

KlectorKid · November 19, 2002 11:13AM

I'm with MAULUMALL I'll sit this one out until i have the even the smallest chance of winning.

jtryka · November 19, 2002 11:13AM

But MAULUMALL, guessing, even incorrectly is part of the learning process! Imagine if you quit trying to ride a bike the first time you fell off? Either way, I usually don't laugh at people's guesses, the only exception being those who think they are experts and guess way wrong!

ursabear · November 19, 2002 11:53AM

jtryka - PM sent.

Guys, if I can guess at them, you can too!

zenny · November 19, 2002 11:58AM

thanks Jeff. i'm going to take my time with these, but you'll get a p.m. from me. if i could take decent photos i would try to do one of these contests but i'm still a bumbler with the digicam. hopefully i'll get it figured out soon. in the meantime it's good to have you back.
z

robertpr · November 19, 2002 12:07PM

PM sent. I usually grade gold a little low, so I tried to be liberal. Gold is a soft metal, after all! Still, I do need to bone up on my gold grading. I hope I came at least remotely close!

airplanenut · November 19, 2002 12:34PM

PMage SENTage

Placid · November 19, 2002 12:51PM

PMS

Geoman · November 19, 2002 1:12PM

PM sent. Never looked at Double Eagles before, but gotta start somewhere.

relayer · November 19, 2002 2:38PM

PM with the correct grades sent

jtryka · November 19, 2002 2:57PM

Pretty confident aren't we relayer! Nice type set by the way, I think mine still needs one more coin to be complete, but I haven't looked at it in a while!

relayer · November 19, 2002 3:24PM

I usually don't laugh at people's guesses, the only exception being those who think they are experts and guess way wrong!

Good thing I didn't claim to be an expert.

I hope the contest rules don't have any fine print saying that we are supposed to match the grade on the insert instead of giving the correct grade of the coin.

darktone · November 19, 2002 10:03PM

relayer- I guess there is going to be a tie because I got them all correct also

. Mike

jtryka · November 19, 2002 10:43PM

Of course you have to guess the grade on the insert relayer! If it was the true grade, we'd be here till April trying to figure out who won!

1907Quarter · November 19, 2002 10:56PM

pm just sent!

CarsonCityGold · November 19, 2002 10:59PM

PM Sent - You've really got to try and find better than AG3 coins

jtryka · November 20, 2002 7:00AM

ttt-

Man CarsonCityGold, I'd like to have you grading all the coins I am looking to buy! I could get some real bargains if they all grade AG-3 (could you throw a couple of P-01s too?).

darktone · November 20, 2002 9:27AM

if AG3 coins looked as good as Jeff's I would be buying lot's of coins

. Jeff anybody get close to a perfect score yet? mike

jtryka · November 20, 2002 10:56AM

Mike,

Here's the update: So far 18 people have submitted guesses, and the current leader has a score of 3.

robertpr · November 20, 2002 12:07PM

Am I the current leader?

jtryka · November 20, 2002 2:11PM

If I told who the leader was, then no one would be excited about seeing the results!

jtryka · November 20, 2002 10:38PM

ttt

darktone · November 20, 2002 10:55PM

I missed by three whole points!

mike

dram · November 21, 2002 8:22AM

I tried but I know its way wrong

CarsonCityGold · November 21, 2002 8:42AM

OK - If I raise 3 coins to G4 from AG3, I should be dead on!!

Darn, I thought I hit it right the first time. Ooooops, I wasn't supposed to post my guesses here.

jtryka · November 21, 2002 10:22AM

ttt- less than 2 hours left!

hookedoncoins · November 21, 2002 12:00PM

Results

... I know I didn't win, but I always like to see how I compare.

-Jarrett Roberts

darktone · November 21, 2002 12:02PM

two minutes to go!

darktone · November 21, 2002 12:04PM

I guess my clocks a little slow compared to the PCGS forumn clock.

jtryka · November 21, 2002 12:30PM

Thanks for your patience everyone, my internet connection is a little slow tonight. And thanks to everyone that participated! Here are the results:

#1 ANACS AU-55
#2 ICG MS-61
#3 PCGS MS-63
#4 PCGS MS-63
#5 NGC MS-62

and the winner is...swhuck! who submitted guesses through the NGC forum (not sure if swhuck is a member of both boards). swhuck's score was 3, with three coins guessed correctly and Type II off by 1 point and the Motto Saint off by 2! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

Here are some fun stats, with all the standard disclosure that it's hard to grade from photos, and this is not a scientific survey by any stretch. What follows is the high, low and average grades assigned to each by the participants:

#1 High: MS-63 Low: EF-40 Average: AU-57.7
#2 High: MS-65 Low: VF-35 Average: AU-57.5
#3 High: MS-66 Low: AU-55 Average: MS-62.1
#4 High: MS-65 Low: EF-40 Average: MS-60.2
#5 High: MS-65 Low: EF-40 Average: MS-62.2

So from this internal survey, it appears that on these coins, the participants thought ANACS undergraded by nearly 3 points, ICG overgraded by 3.5 points, PCGS overgraded one by almost a point, and the other by nearly 3 points, and NGC was just about right on, but a little tight. Personally, I like all these coins or I wouldn't own them, and I bought them based on the coin, so my purchase prices are not all that reflective of the grade assigned but more in line with the average grades (though I might have gotten a bargain or two!). Hope you all had fun and learned something!

tradedollarnut · November 21, 2002 12:34PM

Arggh! I had 4 - that ICG overgrade killed me! Or the NGC undergrade - take your choice!

jtryka · November 21, 2002 12:44PM

Well TDN, you did come in second place with a score of 4, and the undergrade hurt you more, you missed that by 2, and the overgrade by 1 and the type 3 by 1. Not bad. Before you all ask, darktone came in third with a score of 5, and he actually got the most correct, with 4, but just really got hung up on the NM Saint

Overall, of the 27 people that guessed, 3 guessed #1 correctly, 5 guessed #2 correctly, 7 guessed #3 correctly, 8 guessed #4 correctly, and 5 guessed #5 correctly! So it seems the ANACS coin was the real challenge!

1907Quarter · November 21, 2002 12:45PM

similar gripe on the ICG! but let's here it for the host of the contest-it was fun!

relayer · November 21, 2002 12:48PM

Figures the winner would be from somebody across the street.

The only one I got right was the ICG

(or maybe that's the only graded correctly?)

mr1931S · November 21, 2002 12:56PM

i deliberately undergraded the ICG coin...

yeah right...i gave it the VF 35...

but dinner was ready,okay?...

oreville · November 21, 2002 12:59PM

Arrrggh.......... I guessed:

Type I Liberty - ANACS.....AU-58....... correct answer 55
Type II Liberty - ICG........MS-60........ correct answer 61
Type III Liberty- PCGS.....MS-62....... correct answer 63
No Motto Saint...PCGS.....MS-62........ correct answer 63
Motto Saint........NGC.......MS-63........ correct answer 62

Over and under by one grade in everyone of them :-(

I still think that the type I ANACS is a 58, the type II ICG a 60 (doesn't that grade exist anyomre???????), the type III PCGS a 62, and the Motto Saint NGC a 63. The one I caould go along with is the no motto saint as a 63 but with some pusjing and shoving.

mr1931S · November 21, 2002 1:00PM

but i was right on with the two PCGS coins...

that makes me so happy i...i...i could cry...

congrats to the winner!...

darktone · November 21, 2002 1:04PM

OH! I was so close to a perfect score! I was undecided on the no motto saint as I told myself it's either AU58 or MS63 and I chose poorly

. But it has been alot of fun! When's the next one?

mike

jtryka · November 21, 2002 1:06PM

Oreville,

Yes that grade still does exist, in fact, my latest addition to my Saint set is exactly that grade (though it's my only MS-60 Saint!). Here's a link:

1915 NGC MS-60

jtryka · November 21, 2002 11:38PM

Mike,

I was very impressed with your guesses, it's amazing how one coin can throw everything off!

zenny · November 22, 2002 1:06AM

Jeff
thanks, all i can do is blame my monitor. ;-)

YOU MAKE THE CALL 7! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

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