Just for FUN! Guess the grade on this $10 Indian

jtryka · November 16, 2002 12:45PM

Just for fun, I'd like to see what you think. This one has been in the vault for a while, graded by PCGS, older green holder. I'll come back later and post the grade. And yes, those are some fairly significant copper/rust spots over America on the reverse.

1932 Obverse
1932 Reverse

barney · November 16, 2002 12:46PM

PCGS 62+ (I like the yellowish toning but it's a bit too baggy for a 63).

FC57Coins · November 16, 2002 12:46PM

HMMM - Oh I get it - we're playing ACG graders! Yeaaaaaaah that's the ticket!

Take a look at the pic JT

MrKelso · November 16, 2002 12:47PM

Ummm not for nuttin but

Russ · November 16, 2002 12:56PM

Looks like one giant copper spot.

EDIT: Real coin up now. I grade it Very Pretty.

Russ, NCNE

jtryka · November 16, 2002 12:57PM

WHOOPS!!!

My mistake, and it should be fixed now. Russ you took the words right out of my mouth!

nwcs · November 16, 2002 12:59PM

Wish I could find a similar piece in my vault. Oh wait, I don't have a vault. So I guess I wouldn't find one there. Maybe I need one so a piece will automatically appear....

The jpeg compression distorts the image a bit. So I'm going to guess based on optimistic appraisal of the coin (assuming major distortion) and pessimistic (assuming less distortion)

MS 61 or AU 55

FC57Coins · November 16, 2002 1:00PM

Wow - it's a beaut - helluva strike! - I'll say MS66

Frank

1907Quarter · November 16, 2002 1:04PM

pretty darn clean and great strike. Couple of digs in the less-important field, i'LL GO 65

fantasiize · November 16, 2002 1:05PM

MS62

nwcs · November 16, 2002 1:09PM

I thought copper spots, on either side, limited the coin's grade to 63 or less? And there appears to be hits in the prime focal area. To the left of liberty and near the rim on the same level as her nose. The sharpening of the image (or the contrast used) creates artifacts that make it hard to determine hits versus image distortion. There also seems to be some hits in the head dress.

Still would want one myself.

ursabear · November 16, 2002 1:11PM

jtryka, thanks for the fun!

I'm no gold guy, but if it were a Peace dollar, I'd give it an MS62.

relayer · November 16, 2002 1:14PM

I've gotta go MS64 on it.

DHeath · November 16, 2002 1:14PM

Old holder, PCGS MS63-MS64. Ok, MS64. My guess is that the spot wasn't there when it graded. The contact in the field doesn't look that significant. Those are sure beautiful coins. What a great design.

Placid · November 16, 2002 1:20PM

darktone · November 16, 2002 1:34PM

MS63 a nice frosty coin! Looks to have no wear at all just some light surface marks keeping it from 64. I have seen copper spots on very high grade gold coins and in my eye's they do not hurt the coin at all-it shows originality. mike

MrKelso · November 16, 2002 1:39PM

couple spots distracted me but i am going to say 63 over all Nice Piece...

Wait i take that back i now say 64ish 65 ish nice strike. i think the spots i see on on the slab.

EVillageProwler · November 16, 2002 1:43PM

MS62.

Whitewashqtr · November 16, 2002 1:46PM

PCGS MS62
NGC MS64
ICG MS65
NTC MS68
ACG MS70

The real value... priceless!!

mr1931S · November 16, 2002 2:03PM

these are tough to grade...

i'd say it got 63...

zenny · November 16, 2002 2:04PM

Jeff
we've sure missed you around here!!!! glad to have you back.
gonna guess 62. but it's a toughie.
z

jtryka · November 16, 2002 3:45PM

Well, thanks for all those who participated! PCGS gave this a 62, which I kinda agree with. Personally, the obverse is very nice, I like it a lot, but the copper spots on the reverse are really distracting, but they were there when I bought it which explains the nice price I got. Hopefully they won't get any worse over time, otherwise I hope I can find a good conservation company for gold!

oreville · November 16, 2002 3:58PM

AU-58 or MS-61.

oreville · November 16, 2002 3:59PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......you would think I would have guessed better after the answer was given out????????????

jtryka · November 16, 2002 4:09PM

It's ok Oreville, at least we know it was an honest guess!

darktone · November 16, 2002 11:01PM

wow I was only off 1 point on an indian gold coin! I am getting better on these. Thanks Jeff this is always fun to do. Mike

Whitewashqtr · November 17, 2002 12:04AM

Did I win the Gold coin? I was right on the money and I am sure my other grading service grades were corrrect too!!

jtryka · November 17, 2002 2:51AM

Sorry Whitewash, there was no prize for this one, but it brings up an interesting question, how do you judge these contests? Do you first start by what you think the grade really is, and then add or subtract points based on the service that slabbed it? Or do you just try to grade it based on what you think the service would grade it? I think I use the first method, but I think it would be an interesting topic of discussion.

EVillageProwler · November 17, 2002 3:02AM

Jeff,

I guessed 62 because I have that coin in 63, and I simply used that as a starting point. Since I already have that date, I won't be asking for yours as a prize!

EVP

DHeath · November 17, 2002 3:30AM

Pretty nice looking guy, spots or not. Thanks for the fun.

wallstreetman · November 17, 2002 9:57AM

Now send it to the others and see if Whitewashqtr is correct! I second his opinion!

jtryka · November 17, 2002 10:04AM

If anything WSM, I would send it to NCS to remove the copper spots, and then to NGC to put in a nice 62 holder. But I am just fine with it the way it is.

wallstreetman · November 17, 2002 11:26AM

Send it to NGC the way it is and the fee is on me! I really want to see what happens. I think were right, theyll give you a nice 64 holder!

jtryka · November 17, 2002 11:33AM

well, I would first have to register with NGC to be able to submit, and I am not quite ready to do that yet. I need to get the coins together that I would want to submit first.

wallstreetman · November 17, 2002 11:40AM

Can NCS tone an IHC? I have a nice 64L thats been cleaned! Whats the quickest way to make it look natural again? The coin has tons of luster!

jtryka · November 17, 2002 11:45AM

I am not sure, I think they deal more with correcting things like toning, carbon spots, PVC damage etc. There is an "ask NCS" forum within the NGC forums, so I would bet they might have your answer.

wallstreetman · November 17, 2002 11:46AM

Is there a Dr. in the house?

EVillageProwler · November 17, 2002 1:47PM

Can NCS tone an IHC?

I'm kind of a newbie w/ copper, but how does copper tone besides just turning brown? I'm most familiar with silver, and I can understand how silver tones (by reacting with sulfurs and developing patina from the resultant chemical reaction).

What exactly is copper toning? Also, what the heck is gold toning? I thought gold is a non-reactive metal? (I'm not asking about copper spots.)

Back in my college days, I've experimented with electrical properties of various ceramics. Copper seemed to corrode and develop a crud of salt as I pass a current through it. Or, is my memory completely shot?!?

(I'm looking for a numismatic as well as a chemist's explanation to my question...)

EVP

wallstreetman · November 17, 2002 3:37PM

Copper can turn all the same colors as Silver! Can some of you folks show us your wares? Ive seen some outrageous IHCs on this forum! I would settle for brown, apparently the services dont like reddish gold!

thebestMAX · November 18, 2002 3:51AM

Well, I was going to give it AU-58 based on the pictures but I am a very hard grader. Ill try to post one of my $10 Indians soon if I can get decent pics. Should be interesting.

Just for FUN! Guess the grade on this $10 Indian

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