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Saturday March 13, 2010 1:14 PM
Bernie, thank you very much for the response. I hope you finish the paper. Post-Schingoethe, with all the colorful proofs on the market and prices strong, I think us obsolete collectors would really benefit by having this issue clarified. I have a bunch of questions and I realize that you (and others) may not be able to answer them all, but I want to throw them out there:
1) What kind of paper are the colorful modern proprietary proofs printed on? Are they any of them india or are they all card stock?
2) Were all the proofs in the Christie's sale stamped on the back?
3) Is it correct to assume that souvenir cards mostly date from the 1970s to the 1990s?
4) Do you know when the proprietary proofs were printed and why? I emailed Dr. Robert Schwartz of Archives International with a question related to this recently and he told me that there was one lot of reprints from the Christie's sale that included, "probably 500 to 1000 items (sheets counted as a single piece) in the lot. There were earlier proofs included, but most were probably from the 1940's to 1980's." It sold for $21,000. So I wonder if they were printing these in the 40s for sale (meaning there could be many out there) or for company purposes.
5) Have you seen examples of modern proprietary proofs with the ABNCo stamp on the back? I'm curious to know if these might be examples of the "proprietary proofs [that] were printed in anticipation for printing larger numbers" that you mentioned.
6) Is there a way to find out which modern proprietary proofs were printed in large numbers? The seller of the $2 reprint on eBay I mentioned above has this interesting bit of information: "This print is made with the original steel engraved plate from the archives of ABNC. The print is in superb proof condition. While 20,000 of these prints were made, only 5122 were sold in 1979 and the remaining 14,878 were destroyed."
7) Does PCGS distinguish between proofs and proprietary proofs on their slabs like your PMG example above?
8) How much of a difference in value do you think there is between the two notes you have above?
9) Are there original proofs from ABNCo that don't have micro-printing? For example, this note is india paper with punch cancels, but I can't find the micro printing and I wonder if it's a modern propriety:
Same bank, similar style but printed by Draper, Toppan & Co. (and no micro):
This same note has punch cancels, micro-printing but no stamp:
As you can tell, I have a bit invested in this question!
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Edited: Friday January 31, 2014 at 12:46 AM by cinch