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Thread Title: Mastro pleads guilty (Wagner Card)
Created On Friday November 30, 2012 9:38 AM


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mrmint23
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Friday November 30, 2012 9:38 AM

Will this hurt the vaue of the T206 Wagner?
Mastro

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handyman
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Friday November 30, 2012 9:59 AM

What about the company that said it was Nm-Mt?
The card that made them they gave a # grade to the card. Thats what Im more worried about.

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pit
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:09 AM

<< What about the company that said it was Nm-Mt?
The card that made them they gave a # grade to the card. Thats what Im more worried about. >>

My thoughts exactly.

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Friday November 30, 2012 10:14 AM

I thought he had already said he trimmed it. Unless it was just well known, but he never publicly admitted it.

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firedawg45
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:21 AM

Which company graded the card? And missed that?

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Friday November 30, 2012 10:21 AM

I believe that the issue is a seller not disclosing known alterations at sale is against the law. It's not illegal to alter something.

Edited: Friday November 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM by drc

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mattinglymint23
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:22 AM

i started to type a comment then remembered i still have some packs in process and figured better to wait, assuming its the same company.

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itzagoner
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:43 AM

my cards are juiced? no wonder they've been so moody lately.

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rtimmer
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:46 AM

<< Will this hurt the vaue of the T206 Wagner?
Mastro >>

Yes at least in the near term. I think the impact to the grader will be lesser if at all, but none of this is good for the industry for sure.

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OAKESY25
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:54 AM

wasn't this common knowledge?

I know I read somewhere well before this that the grader knew it was trimmed.
I don't think it will hurt the value of the card or grading.
Grading has evolved greatly since then and that card has taken on a legend of its own.

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itzagoner
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:59 AM

the speculation was already fresh the year they charged folks a couple bucks a head just to look at it during the National.

should these people pursue a class action lawsuit to recover those funds?

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drc
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Friday November 30, 2012 10:59 AM

You may be shocked to learn that some collectors and investors go by what is printed on the label. Yes, even with T206 Wagners.

Edited: Friday November 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM by drc

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JHS5120
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Friday November 30, 2012 11:04 AM

I don't think there will be any sort of repurcussion for the grading company - besides the current owner making a "PSA Guarantee" claim.

But honestly, I doubt it.

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digicat
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Friday November 30, 2012 11:08 AM

<< You may be shocked to learn that some collectors and investors buy for what's printed on the label. >>

What? No way. No one does that.

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calaban7
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Friday November 30, 2012 11:27 AM

<< wasn't this common knowledge?

I know I read somewhere well before this that the grader knew it was trimmed.
I don't think it will hurt the value of the card or grading.
Grading has evolved greatly since then and that card has taken on a legend of its own. >>

What can be said that wasn't widely known ?---- Sonny

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handyman
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Friday November 30, 2012 11:57 AM

If it was widely known why give the card a # grade then? Seems unfair to me.

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Friday November 30, 2012 12:07 PM

It's just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure.

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ndleo
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Friday November 30, 2012 12:45 PM

The value of the Wagner PSA 8 will decline by at least 50% after the plea is official.

The other story about fake GU jersey cards is also interesting. I guess there is reason why Topps is so stingy with the good GU jersey and autos.

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illinifan912
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Friday November 30, 2012 12:53 PM

how will this affect psa as a whole?

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Friday November 30, 2012 1:07 PM

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