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hammered
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Is there any reason to buy large amounts of wax wrappers other than to use them for resealing packs?
I just sold a lot of NMT+ commons to a guy (who has not yet paid).
Checked his FB and noticed he buys quite a lot of higher grade 70s card lots and wax wrappers from the same era.
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He just bought a lot of 77 and 78 Topps from (who else?) NESC, and at the same time bought a roll of 78 wrappers and other 77 wrappers. He even bought an old empty 77 box.
I'm hesitant to complete the auction based on the suspicion my cards might be packed up and resold in bogus packs.
Not accusing the guy of anything yet, but I think it's a safe bet what he has planned, probably with a different username.
I just sold a lot of NMT+ commons to a guy (who has not yet paid).
Checked his FB and noticed he buys quite a lot of higher grade 70s card lots and wax wrappers from the same era.
FB
He just bought a lot of 77 and 78 Topps from (who else?) NESC, and at the same time bought a roll of 78 wrappers and other 77 wrappers. He even bought an old empty 77 box.
I'm hesitant to complete the auction based on the suspicion my cards might be packed up and resold in bogus packs.
Not accusing the guy of anything yet, but I think it's a safe bet what he has planned, probably with a different username.
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Hate to say it, but after your awesome reasearch, you should ethically not complete the deal. I have had this happen several times and what I do is warn them that if they leave a Neg you will take action (Reporting them to E-Bay, Law Enforcement ect., Even though I do this anyway, make them FEEL like they are OK and they usually will not Neg you.)
Your call, but I would not consumate the deal!!!!!
You are enabling a Crook!!!
Neil
That said, if I were in your position I would complete the deal and move on. If I thought that cancelling this deal would somehow prevent him from ripping people off, then I would do so. But there is absolutely no chance that it would.
If he doesn't reseal packs with cards he bought from you, he's going to reseal packs with cards he bought from someone else.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
And what condition are the cards?
Steve
Not selling to such guys has no long term impact on the situation. He
obviously has lots of willing suppliers.
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Catching crooks in the act is the tried and true method of all prohibitions.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I wonder if this guy is also the seller hotstuffcollector.. >>
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The pair are "registered" in the same state.
But he says:
"Good Luck and God Bless.
Insurance is offered and Suggested if your item is important to you. Thanks.
Check out my other items for more great deals. Thanks and God Bless."
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The seller is in violation of EBAY TOS on the insurance issue.
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I thought listing such ungraded packs was now against the rules.
Calling summerof68.
As you know I spent spent alot of hours tracking some of the most notorious pack counterfeiters on ebay. This enabled me to convey to ebay the scope of the current problem. So much so that ebay took note and initially decided to ban the sale of raw vintage packs.
The ball was in their hands and at the end they dropped the ball and now it's back to business as usual for the criminals. So I no longer have the desire to invest any time into this endeaver.
But occassionally if I come across a high-end pack on ebay that appears bad (such as that '73 Gai 10 Seaver cello) then I will certainly chime in with any thoughts I have...should anyone care.
As far as this other situation, I think that Barney Fife once told andy that 2 and 2 equals four. That would seem to apply in this situation.
Clearly you are high enough on the maslow's hierarchary chart that the monetary gain would be more than offset by your worry about participating in what is the worst of our hobby.
Karma will have you selling them down the road to someone who really needs them to complete a nice set.
BUT, I DON'T THINK I'LL BE BUYING ANY WAX ON EBAY. Their is just too many bad packs (all commons no stars)
Wouldn't one card have the gum stuck to it?
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<< <i>If he was going to reseal 77 or 78 packs isn't he going to need a 30 year old piece of gum also?
Wouldn't one card have the gum stuck to it? >>
If he wanted his con to be as authentic as possible then yes. But in most cases the con men use any stick of gum they find and try to pass it off as real as possible. I'm pretty sure the gum was the give away on a few of the busted resealers
<< <i>This buyer might just collect old empty wax boxes, wax wrappers and nice looking commons. People do collect different things. >>
Yeah, he might. But like Jeff said, if it walks like a duck...
This guy has no sales on his account (only buys), so it leads one to believe this is just a buying ID, which throws up red flags for obvious reasons.
And yes, the presence of the old gum would make sense. But people who buy non-authenticated wax packs online don't have much common sense, anyway.
I spoke to ebay yesterday and did not get a satisfactory answer. She informed me that absent proof, it was my obligation to complete the transaction once paid for. I asked her about the possibility of removing a resulting negative, and she said again, proof would be required and it would be evaluated at that time.
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Since EBAY makes money on the crimes of their members,
they need strong proof that "allows" them to act.
The best "proof" is activity between associated accounts.
Some of the packs listed by the WV seller in this thread
appear likely to be bad.
I have no idea if the buyer/seller are "associated."
If I wanted out of the deal, I would look for other WV
accounts - selling homemade packs - and tell EBAY that
I have a "good faith belief" that my buyer and one or
more of the WV selling accounts are "associated."
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There is no moral/ethical question involved in the OP's
decision to complete the transaction.
EBAY is a cesspool of bad actors. "Ethical" folks who play
in the pond need to forget about employing notions of moral
absolutism to guide their post-listing conduct.
The "immoraility" occurrs at the time of listing --- participating
in a venue that knowingly enables crime. Such participation
implies moral relativism and ONLY situational ethics need to
be employed in resolving conflicts that arise.
Trying to "do the right thing" in a game that is built on evil,
is the height of hypocrisy. If I was REALLY worried about
being "ethical/moral," I would not be playing the game at all.
Thanks a bunch for the kind words. And I love the Andy Griffth reference--one of my favorite shows of all-time.
"doing right ain't got no end" --from the movie Josie Wales. 1976