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Bagwell - Is he a first ballot HOF'er?
ndleo
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Jeff Bagwell's career stats are impressive, but he didn't hit 3000 or 500. His ROY and MVP award combined with his productivity will eventually get him in, but is he a first ballot guy?
Also I wonder if the steroid questions will get him. I know some people in Houston think he took them since he was such close buddies with Caminiti. He had a huge jump in power numbers in the 1994 season, which is made more amazing considering he played 32 fewer games.
I know he hasn't be subject to an SI cover story like Bonds, but every slugger from 1990 to 2002 will be under steroid cloud.
Also I wonder if the steroid questions will get him. I know some people in Houston think he took them since he was such close buddies with Caminiti. He had a huge jump in power numbers in the 1994 season, which is made more amazing considering he played 32 fewer games.
I know he hasn't be subject to an SI cover story like Bonds, but every slugger from 1990 to 2002 will be under steroid cloud.
Mike
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First ballot especially.
shawn
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
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Nope
He strikes me as the Jim Rice/Bill Mazeroski type--a very good player who may one day make it into the Hall. His numbers are okay in comparison to his peers. He is only a 4 time all star, never led the league in HRs and only once in RBIs. ROY and an MVP on his resume. Craig Biggio will be the Astro always remembered from those years and will make the Hall (1st ballot if he reaches 3000 hits--he's well within range). Bagwell will have a tough go at it I think.
What he has going for him--15 years with the same team. 400 HRs/200SBs as a first baseman (only one ever).
Comprable player off the top of my head from the same era would be Juan Gonzalez--similar HR/Avg. numbers. I don't think anyone here really considered Juan Gone a HOFer.
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he's going to be judged unfairly and he will not get his due credit for hitting in that canyon.
surprised if he were a first ballot HOF. His HOF "numbers" courtesy of baseball-reference:
Black Ink: Batting - 24 (78) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 157 (75) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 59.0 (30) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 149.5 (76) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Further, there is no taint of steroids about Bagwell. He was a very likeable player ala Kirby
Puckett. He won the 1994 NL MVP unanimously and played his entire career for a single
team, went 30-30 in years (1997 and 1999). I think all these factors play in his favor of
being elected.
/s/ JackWESQ
-- Yogi Berra
I think he will get in at some point, especially if Biggio gets 3000. It may take a campaign by someone in the media.
Plus I agree that Bagwell may have a steroid story in the future. The increase in power mirrors what Palmieroid did in the early-mid 1990's. He was a good friend of Caminiti.
Here is an interesting conspiracy theory about Bagwell and roids. I think the guy has been watching too many Oliver Stone movies, but it is fun to read.
Bags
Excuse me? Tony Gwynn on steriods? This guy never learned how to push away from the dinner table. If anything, Tony ate the steriods.
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Looks like he is in with some decent company. With that said, if he does not get tainted with the steroid issue and that story I read is crap then YES he is a Hall of Famer. 1st ballot? dunno. But he does have the stats. Everyone keeps saying that 500 homers is no longer the threshold. Does anyone realise that between 1950 and 1975 more guys achieved that goal? I keep hearing that so many guys will be in that class that it won't mean anything yet they keep dropping like flies.
you could look it up.
does the entire baseball worl stink? yes
life goes on.
JMO
Steve
I'd say his physical transformation is downright Bonds-like. But I've always liked Bagwell. Just as Luis Gonzalez has been a good guy with the media, these people get a pass. But if you're one of those that go around saying Bonds MUST be on 'roids because his hat size has grown 3 sizes and he looks like the Incredible Hulk when compared to his younger days, you should take a hard look at A LOT of other ball players as well.
When Bonds hit his 73 homers in 2001, Luis Gonzalez hit 57! FIFTY FREAKING SEVEN!
But in the meantime, let's all just get angry at Bonds because, you know...he was probably the only one juicing at the time and we're all suppose to hate him.
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