The official 2010 Topps Heritage thread: rip, sort, trade

TNP777 · November 20, 2009 9:52AM

Yeah, I know - 2009 high number isn't out yet, but it's never too early to start thinking about next year. I just saw a preliminary report on 2010 Heritage over on Beckett's blog.

Linky

IMO, this...is one of the nicest looking Heritage sets in quite some time. I'm not a huge fan of the '61 set, but since I'm a huge fan of Heritage I'll most likely do a set. However, at first glance I LOVE the designs of the flashback & relic sets. If they are able to keep all of the names on the preliminary auto checklist, then this looks to be the first semi-strong auto list in the last several years. This could be a very exciting break for the Heritage crowd.

edit to quote from the post: "Among those on the preliminary autograph checklists are Ryan Howard, Matt Kemp, Gordon Beckham, David Wright, Matt Holliday, Luis Aparcio, Bob Gibson, Stan Musial, Carl Yastrzemski, Frank Robinson, Buster Posey and Dustin Pedroia."

csmtampa · November 20, 2009 9:55AM

As a fan of the simple design that the 61's have, I will be picking up a few boxes of this.

TNP777 · November 20, 2009 9:56AM

TNP777 · November 20, 2009 10:01AM

heritage · November 20, 2009 10:01AM

O ''Man this will be fun! That's a nice looking set.
Thank you for the link.

nam812 · November 20, 2009 10:04AM

That Mantle/Ruth/Maris is hot.

TNP777 · November 20, 2009 10:06AM

<< <i>That Mantle/Ruth/Maris is hot. >>

Nick, I'm expecting either you or Mike to pull that.

Josephcb09 · November 20, 2009 10:11AM

Hey now......

TNP777 · November 20, 2009 10:12AM

<< <i>Hey now...... >>

Joe, you're right - there's no reason we couldn't pull it during our group (of two) rip! Good thinking.

VitoCo1972 · November 20, 2009 10:15AM

<< <i>Hey now...... >>

SidePocket · November 20, 2009 12:12PM

Gonna be another good looking set, although I'm tired of SP's. Looks like some much nicer autos.

zep33 · November 20, 2009 12:18PM

hmmmm

kmnorton · November 20, 2009 1:34PM

Love the Cain Autographed card. First dibs on anybody that pulls it!

helionaut · November 20, 2009 10:56PM

Ever since they started doing black refractors I've wanted to collect a set, but none of the designs really looked right with them. Except maybe '06s. But this is a likely target.

I wonder what they'll do with 62s as far as black refs. Hopefully not just an eighth-inch border. Coloring the whole wood part black would look supersweet, I think. But I've got a while to worry about that.

DavidPuddy · November 20, 2009 11:15PM

Some nice looking cards.

It's a shame that none of those will make it into the final product.

Basilone · November 21, 2009 4:52AM

WWJST?

What Would JoeStalin Think?

gumbyfan · November 21, 2009 5:19AM

<< <i>WWJST?

What Would JoeStalin Think? >>

I bet he'd think twice about suggesting that someone could bribe the graders.

alnavman · November 21, 2009 5:28AM

having the stamps is a neat touch, they look cool. Is that what they will actually look like??? I am sure my daughter will want the Grady one

Uphill · November 21, 2009 5:34AM

Love the 61's design.

Stone193 · November 21, 2009 6:24AM

Hi Geordie

To start - with the help of a collector friend - I'm just finishing up adding missing SP's for my 2002 set - I actually purchased a complete set and with all the cards I have, I should have a killer set!

Now - thanx for posting the preview of the new set.

I didn't do anything with the set last year for the first time since it started - I will eventually buy a master set.

I'm probably in the minority from what I think in liking the 61T design - simple and pure and not boring to me.

I'm looking forward to the posts - tho not sure if I'll do the set since I usually wind up spending around 1500 bucks.

Last, I will miss Kevin - I've been collecting and trading with him since 2004.

As a vintage and modern collector, this set's number 1 on my list!

mike

parker95 · November 22, 2009 7:44AM

"Last, I will miss Kevin - I've been collecting and trading with him since 2004."

Kevin? Is he not around anymore or is he just not doing the 2010 Heritage? Please let me know as I may have missed a post somewhere. Thanks!

Craig in Texas

parkerj · November 22, 2009 8:12AM

hi all, he got booted off this forum, but i have his email, so pm me for it.

thx, jim.

Mick65 · November 28, 2009 11:20PM

Do you know why he got kicked off?

HeritageAddict · November 28, 2009 11:53PM

Feb. 25th cannot get here soon enough!!!!

Morgoth · November 29, 2009 2:21AM

If you look at the comments on the beckett article Kevin has already left a comment about the auto set. It looks like he is active on Beckett.

If they insist on giving us hatless sideways player head shots this could be one of the ugliest sets ever. Its one of the only reasons I haven't pursued a full 61 set is I can't stand the cards of players such as Mays or Banks.

Morgoth · November 29, 2009 2:24AM

Kevin was kicked off IMO for a variety of offenses including accusing someone of sending him racist PMs when in fact he was just "kidding". He had a habit of taking it too far and he ended up pushing it too much.

bhelser · November 30, 2009 9:45PM

I just got a checklist and sell sheet from my distributor .......but it is too large to upload here.

If any one can "make it work" feel free to send me your email and I'll send the files over.

I think it is a little more expensive than last year, but don't really remember what they sold for.

24 packs per box - 12 boxes per case - I am selling them at $750 per case (not sure if I am going to sell single boxes yet, but those would be $75).

There are still a lot of TBD on the checklist, but it LOOKS like an enticing checklist......assuming they stick with the plan (yeah, like that ever happens!)

sell info:

500 Stars of Today and Yesterday on the 1961 Topps Design. 1 Autograph or Relic card per box. New! Framed Topps Stamps. New! Topps Dice Game Card Backs. Gum in Every Pack! Chrome Parallel cards. Chase '61. Hobby Exclusive Box Loader including Advertising Panels, Topps Stamp Album, and 1961 Topps Originals. Autographed Relic cards including Flashback Stadium Relics, Clubhouse Collection Relics and Clubhouse Collection Dual Relics.

Release date:

2/22/10

jeffcbay · December 1, 2009 10:56AM

Here is a link to the CHECKLIST. I had to make it into a google document so everyone could see it.

Here are the pages of the Sell Sheet.

brian26 · December 1, 2009 11:02AM

Wow, only 10 clubhouse relic cards.

HeritageAddict · December 1, 2009 11:16AM

Wow, if that checklist remains the same it will be an expensive year for me to be a Cardinals fan. After opening my 4 high number boxes today I needed to see something positive about Heritage, thanks for the post!

bhelser · December 1, 2009 12:22PM

thanks for the help jeffcbay!

jeffcbay · December 1, 2009 12:24PM

Happy to help!

Mick65 · December 4, 2009 4:22AM

Stamps and the dice game variation card (similar to the black backs?)

Were those also in the original 61 packs?

It would nice if they changed up the box loader (get creative and get away from the panels).

They still look pretty good though....................

mikeschmidt · December 4, 2009 5:39AM

Topps Stamps were issued in both 1961 and 1962.

As for Dice Game, that is a rare test set that Topps never issued. Probably the rarest and most valuable Topps set that was ever made. For many examples, three or less surviving exemplars are known. Bob, who frequents these boards [bobbscards I think is his addy] can provide a more robust education related to those cards. But they were never formally issued.

Marc

Mick65 · December 4, 2009 6:39AM

Thanks for the info, Marc. It looks like there were 18 black and white ones (9 from each league). I wonder if Topps will use current players replicate the 1961 series. Hopefully they won't be too impossible to pull out of packs.

Mick65 · December 4, 2009 7:16AM

From oldbaseball.com

1961 Dice Game (18)

R-414-20-UNC

Perhaps taking a cue from the success of the APBA baseball game, Topps produced this black and white set in 1961. While the Topps name does not appear anywhere on the product, the quality of the cards and the typefaces used clearly mark these as a Topps product. At 2 1/2" x 3 1/2", they also have the same dimensions as regular issue 1961 cards. One player per position from each league is included and while not all are superstars, every player was an All Star at one time or another. These cards are extremely rare and the Mantle card is probably the holy grail of all Topps cards.. Of course, considering that it sells in the mid to high four figures, not too many people could afford one anyway. That is, provided more than one exists: in 1985 only one known set had been reported, along with a handful of singles. It is doubtful this set was ever legitimately released based on the low number of extant copies. In fact, when Topps issues are this scarce I have to think that Woody Gelman was involved in their introduction to the hobby.

1961 Magic Rub Off (36)

R-414-23

Topps entered the baseball insert market with this little set, packaged in first series wax packs in 1961. In what can only be seen as a response to Leaf and Fleer's incursion into the baseball card market, the brain trust at Topps started working overtime to design inserts, premium offers and supplemental issues. This is a typical Topps move and many of the innovations they spawned over the years were the direct result of either real or perceived forays into their markets by other manufacturers. For this set, 18 players with unusual nicknames were caricatured on pieces of waxed paper. An additional 18 rub offs contain team pennants, including the two newest entries into the American League, the Washington Senators and Los Angeles Angels and those erstwhile former Senators, the Minnesota Twins.. The dimensions of 2 1/16" x 3 1/16" are not always uniform, but there doesn't seem to be a really big chance that these inserts have ever been reproduced by other parties. You can find these rub offs at just about any big show and they don't really present any problems in obtaining superstars, since the two big names are Banks and Berra.

1961 Stamps (208)

ST-414-1

Topps was a little more ambitious with this initial stamp offering than with Magic Rub Offs. Stamps could be obtained in second series and higher wax packs and possibly in cello packs as well. There was also a premium offer on some wax wrappers advertising a stamp album. The stamps are either dull green (American League) or brown (National League) and came in "blocks" of two. They can still be found intact in this form and many people collect them in this fashion. For some reason Al Kaline appears in both colors, probably having a brown version as a substitute for a player who had been dropped from the set. Therefore, only 207 different players are portrayed. Individual stamps measure 1 3/8" x 1 15/16", while blocks are 3 3/8" x 1 15/16" due to the inclusion of a printers color key. These rather bland stamps can be found with little effort, although big name players get snapped up rather quickly when they are offered for sale. An album also exists.

gosteelers · December 12, 2009 2:38AM

Hey everyone, just wanted to post this here in case anyone is interested.

I have the following available for trade for 2007 Topps Heritage (MLB) Black Refractors:

2004
Carlos Delgado #5 PSA 9
Frank Thomas #8 PSA 9
Brandon Webb #11 PSA 10
Chipper Jones #12 PSA 8
Jason Giambit #16 PSA 9
Austin Kearns #25 PSA 9
John Smoltz #39 PSA 10
Tony Batista #47 PSA 10
Richie Sexson #52 PSA 9
Rodney Choy Foo #61 PSA 9
David Murphy #64 PSA 10
Edwin Jackson #70 PSA 10
Bradley Sullivan #72 PSA 8
Conor Jackson #75 PSA 10
Craig Ansman #77 PSA 9
Anthony Lerew #80 PSA 9
Sung Ki Jung #81 PSA 8
Donald Levinski #86 PSA 10
Tim Frend #89 PSA 9
Dioner Navarro #92 PSA 9
Blake Hawksworth #97 PSA 10
Chris O'Riordan #100 PSA 10
Edgar Martinez #103 PSA 10
Brett Myers #104 PSA 9
Scott Rolen #106 PSA 9
Mark Teixeira #107 PSA 10
Jerome Williams #110 PSA 9

2005
William Harridge #1 PSA 10
Jim Thome #10 (Raw-Has a crease in the card, though)
Jason Giambi #11 PSA 9
Torii Hunter #26 PSA 10
Hank Blalock #36 PSA 10
Mike Piazza #43 PSA 10
Bret Boone #44 PSA 10
Pedro Martinez #47 PSA 10
Lew Ford #53 PSA 9
Ryan Webb #92 PSA 10
Brett Harper #97 PSA 10

2006
Todd Walker #11 (Raw)
There's a link below to the graded 2006 Black Refractors that I have left.

2009
Ryan Ludwick #8 (Raw)
Ervin Santana #33 (Raw)
John Lackey #39 (Raw)
Edinson Volquez #67 (Raw)
Adrian Gonzalez #72 (Raw)
Max Scherzer #97 (Raw)

Please let me know if you have any '07s to trade.

Thanks,
Mark

2006 Topps Heritage Black Refractors Graded

Mick65 · January 2, 2010 6:57AM

Is everyone ready for the 2010 Heritage?

I see the pre sell cases are running around $750, I remember last year thinking I locked in a great price at $625 with LR Cards, we all know how that went down.

If anyone has a reliable supplier, I'd be interested (if you want to share that information)

I look forward to everyone's scans and analysis.

fur72 · January 2, 2010 7:10AM

Is it safe to say the cards below will have some type of errors or SSP errors since the numbers in the orginal set were errors? Or am I jumping the gun?

161 Madison Bumgarner Rookie
332 Ryan Langerhans Veteran

Orginal 1961 Topps errors
Card 161 Sherman Jones UER RC (Photo actually Eddie Fisher) Card 332 Dutch Dotterer UER (Photo actually Tommy Dottere)

Mick65 · January 2, 2010 8:18AM

Calling the shot early......

.....my guess is that Topps will fall in line with another Fred Lewis / Randy Winn SSP that will be just as awesome, and everyone will be buying tons of packs trying pull them, right..........

Will someone at Beckett pull the "Hot" blaster that has 10 of each SSP?....if so ........it will be great....because those gimics never get old.

Or maybe this is the year Topps focuses on putting out a good product again......let's hope!!

Josephcb09 · January 3, 2010 2:52AM

Mick,

I am pretty sure I will be able to get 12 box Hobby Cases in the $715 range, depending on shipping location, but I will need to preorder right away.

I am going to make a call to my distributor Monday but I will probably be able to get blasters and retail 24ct boxes at a discount as well.

Let me know

Joe

Mick65 · January 6, 2010 9:23PM

Thanks Joe.

Do you have a website ?

86nova · January 7, 2010 11:10PM

Has anyone heard about production numbers for the 2010 Heritage?

86nova

Josephcb09 · January 8, 2010 4:08AM

Mick,

Website isn't finished yet....

I can use Geordie, Doran, Kevin and Jeff as references if that helps.

Also it looks like I will be able to get my hands on some 8 box 24 ct retail cases as well for somewhere in the $340 range plus shipping. I don't know how that price compares per card but I know it won't release until a few weeks after hobby.

RipublicaninMass · January 9, 2010 1:17AM

SPAM SPAM SPAM

Just thought I would post my dupes from all heritage years here. My want list is over on the worthless set collectors club thread. I need some 05 heritage as well as a few from 01

2009 Topps heritage

ad panel unopened
jackson/reds/Mcgowen

refractor
c40 Berkman 088/560
chromes
c1 Ramirez 1461/1960
c24 Rivera 1439/1960
c40 Berkman 1942/1960
c52 Uggla 1927/1960
c97 Scherzer 1472/1960

sp's
499, 481, 476, 468, 461, 456, 454, 450, 440,

NAP's
9, 8,

flashbacks
10, 9, 3,

then and npw
10, 5,
news flashbacks
2, 9

2008 Topps heritage
Chrome
c146 Pedroia 1614/1959
c84 maine 1362, 1959
sp
42, 336, 415, 52, 470, 150, 198, 291, 8, 436, 126, 49, 228, 54, 224,
94, 265, 91, 475, 135, 12, 69, 370, 325, 102, 28, 9, 498, 179, 486,
337, 472, 81, 333, 98, 2, 41, 3, 226, 371, 330, 262, 21, 225, 483, 185, 176,
196, 16, 180, 11761, 90, 443
news flash backs
5, 6
flashbacks3, 8
then and now
1, 6
naps
4, 12
2007 Topps heritage
sp
68, 31, 159, 347, 365, 366, 483, 429, 374, 330, 13, 67, 121, 131, 213, 221, 257,
347, 365, 366, 392, 420, 473, 473, 477
Yellow name
98, 24, 46, 78,
yellow team name
108, 11, 20, 81, 2,

then and now
3, 7,

flashbacks
6, 4, 9, 1, 7,

New age
3, 10,

chrome 40 varitek
0958/1958
mantle hr
1, 11, 16, 18, 24, 27, 28, 34, 38, 42

clubhouse AJP
Pujols pants

06 heritage
then and now
2
flashback
banks, mazeroski
Chrome
70 ramirez 0981/1957

05 heritage
sp
50 Thome fielding
118 Ordonez 1956 uni
nap
12
then and now
4,6
chromes
thc 8 garret anderson 1784/1956
thc 106 gagne 0078/1956
flashback snider
seat relic fr-sm musial stadium seat

04 Heritage
double header 9/10
Sp
213
club house collection Luis Gonzalez jersey

04 BOWMAN heritage
thread of greatness Beckett gu bat

2007 Topps
#7 Mantle
mantle hr 287, 301
Beltran gu- jersey
a-rod homers 55, 58, 59, 61,263

2006 A and G

mini
287

mini black
113
310 couture

2007 A & G

N43-RH (box topper ryan howard)
Sp

110, 119, 152, 193, 243, 309, 317, 318, 319, 327, 335, 339, 340, 330, 320

Sketch cards

5, 7, 22, 9, 19, 23, 6, 1, 11, 3, 13, 26, 28, 10, 17, 25, 8, 20, 2, 14, 27, 29, 5, 15, 16, 18, 21

mini
141, 203, 191, 159, 174, 240, 235, 276, 261, 248, 245, 330, 324, 320, 318, 312, 296, 295,
287, 286,24, 29, 116, 113, 95,84, 210

Mini No number
Ted Towles

mini black
67, 52, 144, 132, 221

mini black No number
Wang

mini a&g back
333, 278, 242, 207, 154, 124, 63, 47, 25, 22, 73, 227, 204

emperor
E7

Flags
usa
Russian federation

Relics

SChilling Jersey
Patterson bat
Rolen hersey
Konerko bat
Willis jersey (pin stripe )

2005 Bowman Draft picks
CArmona jersey

Heritage commons
01. 04, 06, 07, 08 09

A& G commons
2007

Walt · January 12, 2010 10:55AM

less than 2 months now!

Mick65 · January 22, 2010 6:17PM

Is there an expected release date? 2/25/10?

Mick65 · January 22, 2010 6:19PM

Joe,

Thanks for the info........I may scrap together the funds for a case...I'm still on the fence.

BigRedMachine · January 25, 2010 10:15PM

What's the latest on the release date for this, and where are most of you buying from?

shawn

ssdawg77 · January 26, 2010 12:16AM

2/24/10 according to my distributor this morning. I have hobby cases available if anyone is interested.

WrigleyCub · January 26, 2010 1:41AM

Will any of the retailers be carrying these boxes/packs?

The official 2010 Topps Heritage thread: rip, sort, trade

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