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Created On Wednesday 9, July, 2008 5:21 PM by lope208

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lope208
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**AUGUST 2, 2008 UPDATE** Below...


This information has been posted in the giant John Nanney Discovery thread already.
I post it here as a courtesy for those who have not kept up on that thread but still
have interest in this coin.

FIRST, here is the request I filed with the Disclosure Officer for the Mint. The wording
is a little strange in spots because of the rules you have to follow when submitting. Also, it
was my first time filing one of these.





SECOND, here is the initial response I've received from the Mint in early July.





THIRD, here is the letter that I just received from the Mint. It is dated July 15th.



NEW CORRESPONDANCE FROM THE MINT






This doesn't tell us too much and they failed to answer half of my inquiry. I will be sending them a response
letter to this.

Special thanks to all 40 members that contributed to the costs of this FOIA request!!!







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Way to go Lope!!!

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Great work Lope Will be interesting to see next response.

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Good job Lope, lets hope the Mint can say with clarity, how many escaped or were destroyed.

Isn't the 47k number, all they have to disclose?

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Can we make this thread the new John Nanney thread????

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Kudos to the only one who took the initiative so far in filing a FOIA to the US Mint. Lope your a

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way back in the monster thread.. i suggested that someone file an FOIA request, and Lope picked up the ball and ran with it.. i read the gubmint's rules on how to file one and the dozen or so ways they could weasel out of giving a real answer.. i may still do it.. i think more of us should.. it'd have more of an impact if the Mint got more than one.. the rules on doing it are Google-able.. these days, what isn't?..

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<< way back in the monster thread.. i suggested that someone file an FOIA request, and Lope picked up the ball and ran with it.. i read the gubmint's rules on how to file one and the dozen or so ways they could weasel out of giving a real answer.. i may still do it.. i think more of us should.. it'd have more of an impact if the Mint got more than one.. the rules on doing it are Google-able.. these days, what isn't?..

Harv >>




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I expect the following.......

Best estimates of those produced will not significantly change........45,000 +/- a few thousand.

I predict they will say they made no attempt to recover any examples.
All examples were processed through usual channels and either have been shipped or remain in inventory.

IMO all of those who assign more sinister motives and actions by the mint employees have never dealt with goverment workers.
If they haven't been ordered to stop shipment or been ordered to search out examples then they won't bother.

From their point of view it was a design change not an 'error'.

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<< I expect the following.......

From their point of view it was a design change not an 'error'. >>


Finally & officially a variety!
Thanks Lope! Hat's off to you!

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<< Can we make this thread the new John Nanney thread???? >>



I was going to call it "The John Nanney Spinoff Thread"

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<< Can we make this thread the new John Nanney thread???? >>


Count me IN!

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What a sickening, weasel-like response!

I'm telling you, stock up on ammo and guns because someday you will be jailed for asking the same question!

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<< I expect the following.......

Best estimates of those produced will not significantly change........45,000 +/- a few thousand.

I predict they will say they made no attempt to recover any examples.
All examples were processed through usual channels and either have been shipped or remain in inventory.

IMO all of those who assign more sinister motives and actions by the mint employees have never dealt with goverment workers.
If they haven't been ordered to stop shipment or been ordered to search out examples then they won't bother.

From their point of view it was a design change not an 'error'. >>




I agree with the above.
And, while it would be nice to know, and it would certainly be helpful to those working a PROFIT on these, I think it is a shame to waste government time/resources/money on chasing bits and pieces like this down. Especially if more people do it. I hope they charge a cost recovery fee for these types of things.

No wonder our government is so bloated and good workers are hard to find. If I had to put up with this stuff at my job, and wasn't highly compensated, I would quit and go elsewhere as well.

Now, if this was something that involved people dying or safety, I would be all for it, but, and I know this is blasphemy to many here, I consider this still a hobby....as such, I am willing to enjoy it and put up with a bit.

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the FOIA act exists for a reason.. it allows the common man a way to question the actions of his gubmint.. after all, our tax DollErs pay their salaries.. they work for US and should be accountable to US.. i don't think this filing is a "Trivial Pursuit" at all.. privately-held companies are answerable to their stockholders.. you can't file a FOIA request with a private company.. if anyone else thinks this is somehow abusing the system, that's your right.. true.. the number of these coins made and the number released are not going to involve masses of people dying or starving.. these boreds aren't for political discussions so i won't get into the gumint's response to Katrina, for example.. but i don't see one thing wrong with this filing.. there are a lot of collectors who are intensely interested and this isn't something that happened 50, 100, 200 years ago.. it happened a couple months ago.. it's not like someone's going to have to dig very deep for the records..

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I hope some jackass releases a stupid number like 75,000 to 100,000. That will teach you to waste
some poor Goverment workers time trying to reap a profit from a mistake..

You will never know how many of these are out there. People have these things hoarded in their closets
some people probably don't even know about it. They ordered on subscription and put them away.

If I had 20 of them no one would know about it. I dang sure wouldn't have sold any if I thought there was
a chance it could be worth thousands. There is nothing worse than a Ebay seller telling me they are selling
a coin that is going to be worth thousands one day for 3 to 5 hundred dollars.

I send everyone I find a message telling them how careless they are as an investor if they are willing to lose
hundreds perhaps thousands selling early...

I wish you all the best. But you will only know what they want you to know...


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<< I hope some jackass releases a stupid number like 75,000 to 100,000. That will teach you to waste
some poor Goverment workers time trying to reap a profit from a mistake.. >>



A disappointing comment even with the smiley face.

He also said he would pay reasonable fees incurred to get the information.




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<< the FOIA act exists for a reason.. it allows the common man a way to question the actions of his gubmint.. after all, our tax DollErs pay their salaries.. they work for US and should be accountable to US.. i don't think this filing is a "Trivial Pursuit" at all.. privately-held companies are answerable to their stockholders.. you can't file a FOIA request with a private company.. if anyone else thinks this is somehow abusing the system, that's your right.. true.. the number of these coins made and the number released are not going to involve masses of people dying or starving.. these boreds aren't for political discussions so i won't get into the gumint's response to Katrina, for example.. but i don't see one thing wrong with this filing.. there are a lot of collectors who are intensely interested and this isn't something that happened 50, 100, 200 years ago.. it happened a couple months ago.. it's not like someone's going to have to dig very deep for the records..

Harv >>



Harv, I've seen good points and posts from you before, but this issue has you all wrapped around an axle.
btw...it's "dollars" and "government" and "boards"

Yes, I do think it is trivial. Know what else? I also "pay for their salaries" and I would rather them do something productive than cater to a bunch of hobbyists.
I would also rather our elected officials do something about actual social issues than try to come up with a new coin design (national parks, politically correct dollar coins, etc).

Yes, there are many collectors interested. If it was readily available data, I would be all for it. But to encourage multiple people to file FOIA requests is just being wasteful, imho.

For the record, I would like to see an exact number, or pretty close to one, but I would forego that if I knew it took a lot of time/resources.

Not trying to change your mind, because, reading the threads, you are very excited about these, hope to make millions of dollars off of them, and are pretty set in your view. That's cool.

For my part, I like them but don't think they are god's gift. Just another mint gift to flipping

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<<

<< I hope some jackass releases a stupid number like 75,000 to 100,000. That will teach you to waste
some poor Goverment workers time trying to reap a profit from a mistake.. >>



A disappointing comment even with the smiley face.

He also said he would pay reasonable fees incurred to get the information. >>



Fee's or not they already released a number..What difference does it make??

Do you REALLY want the exact number? What if it IS higher than previously stated and they TANK in price???
You won't be so happy then will you?????

Why can't you be happy with the number stated and move on?



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